US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 683

u crank · 08-21-20, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

It took me under five minutes to check the validity of that and surprise surprise, she never accused Biden of being a racist.

I watched that debate live Dowly. Why would anyone say such a thing? There is no doubt in my mind that when Harris said " I do not believe you are a racist" she was attempting to paint Biden as a racist without actually saying it. It is an old trick. It's like when you are arguing with you wife and she says "I'm not upset" But you know she is. She then goes on to point out why she thinks that. She connects him to two guys who were racists and his opposition to busing. She didn't actually utter the words "Joe you are a racist", but her intent was pretty clear. To help you out I'll say that she 'implied' that Biden was a racist. Better?

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This but one of the many times you've shown how "unbiased" you are in finding your facts. To the point that I am starting to suspect you are here for no other reason than to troll. You sure act like one these days.

So political opinion and observation is trolling?

Speaking of trolling ....

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Hey em2nought, hows that #GoFundTheWall doing?

Platapus · 08-21-20, 07:05 AM

This should probably be merged in with the US politics thread.

Skybird · 08-21-20, 07:15 AM

u crank,

what have I actually said? This:

" In a second term, he must not hold back anymore, as long as he does not want to try changing rules so to get a third term, like some of his idols use to do it at home in Russia, China, Belarus, Turkey. Trump years 5-8 will be much, much worse than years 1-4. For you. For us. For everybody."

The core thing I said in that however is printed in green.

Rules can be broken. Rules can be changed. Putin changed the constitution, formally legally. The German Basic Law has seen additions since the 80s, for slightly more constructive purpose, I would claim. Erdoghan tweaked the constitutionm to his personal benefit. Lukashenko simply dodges the rules and foirges eleciton outcomes. China - well, you know the story. The GDR was formally a democratic republic - like the American state claims to be democratic, and a republic. The GDR formally staged elections. Everything was according to the laws and rules.

The American laws and rules can be changed, hijacked or whatever, too, both legally or illegally. It only takes enough minions who wave it through. Senate has blocked impeachement of Trump going on, not because of relevant evidence proving Trump's innocence, but because his minions shod it off, and said in advance they would not care for any facts, buttu would block it NO MATTER WHAT.

No, the system is not inerrible and unfallible and invincible. In fact it is overaged and outdated, badlöy equipped for the present challenges. And for the degeneration of political culture as we see it in the present happening, it is not suited well and was not designed to handle such circumstances. Its quite helpless when even insanity like QAnon now is set to become a legal political force, invited and greeted and graced by the carricature of a president himself.

Trump is a rule breaker, and he is that because he is quite incapable, especially at honest fair play. He is neither honest, nor does he ever play fair, and when he does not get his will, he calls the other "unfair(tm)!". Somebody whose life narration always twists the narration of reality so that he appears as the big sooper dooper mega guy winning it all even where he just had run another thing into the ground. He lives in his own fantasy world, fantasizing about himself and his marvel-comic-like super hero status. He claimed to his assistants that he has "magical authorities". Meanwhile, the number of court complaints against his business actions count by the legions.

He has gotten away with highly dubious manouvers, bending the rules, breakingn them in my understanding, and he got away because often (not always) the system was not prepared for somethign like him hitting it. He has made it clear on several occasions, sometimes mysteriously hinmting at something, sometimes staying vague, sometimes being more clear about it, that he will not accept a defeat at the elections without setting up a battle NO MATTER WHAT, and I am quite certain he will even do it when the defeat is clear and unquestionable - because of two reasons: first, it violates his narration about himself of beign invincible, god-like, and sooper-dooper wonder boy who always wins, wins, wins. He has not won any significant battle in his life life. He always got away with something, that is somethign different than a constructive win, or gain. And second, he knows by now that there are many, many idiots in the country who would even believe him and hang on his lips if he tells them he comes from Sirius and is the galactic emperor bringing peace to all the galaxy. The past four years showed it in all depressing clearness: too many people believe him just everything. EVERYTHING.

Now I said that he will not need to have remorse in a second temr, because he cannot have another - and I implied that he would need to not shock away voters only in case he would plan to once again go head-on to break the rules and change the rules and go after a third term. That was more an additional explanation of what alone would limit him in a second term , would need him to be more careful . I posted a video two or three days ago, the guy in it said he was told by the Trump clique that the second term will be "Shock & Awe", and that they plan to do whatever they like.

skidman · 08-21-20, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

There is no doubt in my mind that when Harris said " I do not believe you are a racist" she was attempting to paint Biden as a racist without actually saying it.

Wait a minute: You are the one who constantly claims he is discussing facts and opinions do not matter. In this case Dowly has clearly proven you wrong, and all you come up with is your interpretation of what was actually meant? Sorry, but this is lame (to say the least).

Gerald · 08-21-20, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

This should probably be merged in with the US politics thread.

Yes! Thanks plat.

u crank · 08-21-20, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by skidman

In this case Dowly has clearly proven you wrong, and all you come up with is your interpretation of what was actually meant? Sorry, but this is lame (to say the least).

Really? Ok. What exactly is your interpration of what Ms. Harris saying in the clip? If she is not suggesting that Biden is a racist why does she connect him to racists and racist policies? Is there another explanation? The whole point of these debates is to do exactly what Harris did. Take down the other candidates. That is what she did to Biden. He actually defended himself quite well when she would let him speak.

You can call it my interpretation if you like but it isn't me speaking, it's Ms. Harris.

Dowly · 08-21-20, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by skidman

Wait a minute: You are the one who constantly claims he is discussing facts and opinions do not matter. In this case Dowly has clearly proven you wrong, and all you come up with is your interpretation of what was actually meant? Sorry, but this is lame (to say the least).

Exactly. He is speculating. The only facts we have is what Harris said, and she could have said it for the simple reason that she didn't want anyone speculating if she thought Biden was a racist. I don't know, again all we have is what she says and it is the opposite of 'accusing Biden of being a racist'.

As for trolling, u_crank I think we need to sit down and talk about what trolling is. I see the word used wrong here quite a bit. What I was doing at em2nought was rubbing it in, because he was very vocal about the gofundme thing. That is not trolling.

What you are doing is you say one thing and then say/do the opposite, "I'm interested in the facts" (except when you're not) for example. That is a form of trolling if done intentionally. And it's working, as you can see from both Catfish's and my posts calling you out on your constant contradictions, so good job on that.

Or maybe you're not trolling, I don't know. Maybe you just really believe what you're saying and simply don't see the contradictions.

u crank · 08-21-20, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

In a second term, he must not hold back anymore..

Well that is true of all administrations in their second term. The idea though that Trump can turn America into Russia or some other dictatorship is I'm sorry to say absurd. I've tried to explain why and I will add that you would be hard pressed to find any reputable Republicans who would go along with such a thing. It is actually not worth talking about. But here we are.

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Senate has blocked impeachement of Trump going on, not because of relevant evidence proving Trump's innocence, but because his minions shod it off, and said in advance they would not care for any facts, buttu would block it NO MATTER WHAT.

Well Skybird I am at a loss here. Do you know anything about the impeachment of Bill Clinton? It wasn't that long ago, October 1998. The way you describe Trump's impeachment makes it sound like it was completely unique. In Clinton's Senate trial all 45 Democrat Senators found Clinton not guilty. This was in spite of the evidence of perjury and obstruction of justice.

You are using Trump's acquittal (a purely political event like Clinton's) as evidence that he will become a dictator? Say it isn't so.

u crank · 08-21-20, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

And it's working, as you can see from both Catfish's and my posts calling you out on your constant contradictions, so good job on that.

Well Catfish thinks I am a card carrying member of the alt-right so keep up the good work.

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Or maybe you're not trolling, I don't know. Maybe you just really believe what you're saying and simply don't see the contradictions.

That is pretty condescending. Let's agree that your interpretation of what Harris was doing and mine are different. Or is that possible?

Skybird · 08-21-20, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

Well that is true of all administrations in their second term. The idea though that Trump can turn America into Russia or some other dictatorship is I'm sorry to say absurd. I've tried to explain why and I will add that you would be hard pressed to find any reputable Republicans who would go along with such a thing. It is actually not worth talking about. But here we are.

Its becoming pointless to continue here. You are completely under their spell, and I hear them speaking through your mouth (and yes, this time I have not forogtten that you are no American, but Canadian). So be it, I need my daily FS2020 fix now.

Dowly · 08-21-20, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

That is pretty condescending. Let's agree that your interpretation of what Harris was doing and mine are different. Or is that possible?

I'm fine with that.

Dowly · 08-21-20, 10:05 AM

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Why? Because you hope so?

+1 to his campaign staff who have broken the law. Can't be very helpful.

Buddahaid · 08-21-20, 10:12 AM

Sky, it's the same for both parties. The left is fearing Trump will create a dictatorship and the right is afraid Biden will create a new socialist tyranny. Neither will happen without another civil war.

As for what Harris said, it's the difference between taking the words at face value, or reading other meaning into them, just like when Trump says something foolish and the left cries fowl while the right says he's joking.

Buddahaid · 08-21-20, 10:26 AM

But I keep hearing that only Democrats commit fraud which is why the mail in votes will be the biggest fraud ever......

Oh wait I forgot, he's joking again...

Jimbuna · 08-21-20, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

This should probably be merged in with the US politics thread.

Agreed but this is becoming a common requirement.

If people would only bother to think before creating threads firstly by looking for others of similar or almost identical nature.

Threads merged.

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08-21-20, 07:15 AM	#10233
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,714 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	u crank, what have I actually said? This: " In a second term, he must not hold back anymore, as long as he does not want to try changing rules so to get a third term, like some of his idols use to do it at home in Russia, China, Belarus, Turkey. Trump years 5-8 will be much, much worse than years 1-4. For you. For us. For everybody." The core thing I said in that however is printed in green. Rules can be broken. Rules can be changed. Putin changed the constitution, formally legally. The German Basic Law has seen additions since the 80s, for slightly more constructive purpose, I would claim. Erdoghan tweaked the constitutionm to his personal benefit. Lukashenko simply dodges the rules and foirges eleciton outcomes. China - well, you know the story. The GDR was formally a democratic republic - like the American state claims to be democratic, and a republic. The GDR formally staged elections. Everything was according to the laws and rules. The American laws and rules can be changed, hijacked or whatever, too, both legally or illegally. It only takes enough minions who wave it through. Senate has blocked impeachement of Trump going on, not because of relevant evidence proving Trump's innocence, but because his minions shod it off, and said in advance they would not care for any facts, buttu would block it NO MATTER WHAT. No, the system is not inerrible and unfallible and invincible. In fact it is overaged and outdated, badlöy equipped for the present challenges. And for the degeneration of political culture as we see it in the present happening, it is not suited well and was not designed to handle such circumstances. Its quite helpless when even insanity like QAnon now is set to become a legal political force, invited and greeted and graced by the carricature of a president himself. Trump is a rule breaker, and he is that because he is quite incapable, especially at honest fair play. He is neither honest, nor does he ever play fair, and when he does not get his will, he calls the other "unfair(tm)!". Somebody whose life narration always twists the narration of reality so that he appears as the big sooper dooper mega guy winning it all even where he just had run another thing into the ground. He lives in his own fantasy world, fantasizing about himself and his marvel-comic-like super hero status. He claimed to his assistants that he has "magical authorities". Meanwhile, the number of court complaints against his business actions count by the legions. He has gotten away with highly dubious manouvers, bending the rules, breakingn them in my understanding, and he got away because often (not always) the system was not prepared for somethign like him hitting it. He has made it clear on several occasions, sometimes mysteriously hinmting at something, sometimes staying vague, sometimes being more clear about it, that he will not accept a defeat at the elections without setting up a battle NO MATTER WHAT, and I am quite certain he will even do it when the defeat is clear and unquestionable - because of two reasons: first, it violates his narration about himself of beign invincible, god-like, and sooper-dooper wonder boy who always wins, wins, wins. He has not won any significant battle in his life life. He always got away with something, that is somethign different than a constructive win, or gain. And second, he knows by now that there are many, many idiots in the country who would even believe him and hang on his lips if he tells them he comes from Sirius and is the galactic emperor bringing peace to all the galaxy. The past four years showed it in all depressing clearness: too many people believe him just everything. EVERYTHING. Now I said that he will not need to have remorse in a second temr, because he cannot have another - and I implied that he would need to not shock away voters only in case he would plan to once again go head-on to break the rules and change the rules and go after a third term. That was more an additional explanation of what alone would limit him in a second term , would need him to be more careful . I posted a video two or three days ago, the guy in it said he was told by the Trump clique that the second term will be "Shock & Awe", and that they plan to do whatever they like. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 08-21-20 at 07:50 AM.

08-21-20, 10:12 AM	#10243
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,332 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Sky, it's the same for both parties. The left is fearing Trump will create a dictatorship and the right is afraid Biden will create a new socialist tyranny. Neither will happen without another civil war. As for what Harris said, it's the difference between taking the words at face value, or reading other meaning into them, just like when Trump says something foolish and the left cries fowl while the right says he's joking. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

08-21-20, 10:26 AM	#10244
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,332 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	But I keep hearing that only Democrats commit fraud which is why the mail in votes will be the biggest fraud ever...... Oh wait I forgot, he's joking again... __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie