US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[August]

Originally Posted by u crank

The New York Times and the Washington Post won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for "deeply sourced, relentlessly reported coverage in the public interest that dramatically furthered the nation’s understanding of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and its connections to the Trump campaign, the President-elect’s transition team and his eventual administration."

A Pulizer for being 100% wrong. ("We can't be wrong because we got a Pulitzer for our lies, erm reporting")

They should have their awards revoked because it's obvious now that their coverage was not deeply sourced at all and their relentless MISreporting only furthered the nations MISunderstanding of Russian election interference and it's Trump connections.

It's like giving the Pulitzer to the Chicago Tribune for the "Dewey Wins" headline but even that was just a mistake. It's like Obama getting the Nobel prize for what they thought he might do but worse because they knew better.

[mapuc]

Whether it's American, British, German or some other countries, the politics and their politicians are the same.

I say he's right, this Danish journalist, expert on American politics.

The Danish news channel had an issue with Biden's not-so-clever-answer to an Afro American citizens.

Where he should have said something like

"Then you're truly not an American"

This Journalist then said:

From memory
Once again they approach the problem wrongfully. If the Dem doesn't find out how, why a.s.o they lost to Trump...they most likely will lose the next election too.

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Where he should have said something like

"Then you're truly not an American"

Biden also used the slang word "ain't" which is a pretty bald faced attempt at pandering. You have to speak the peasants language for them to understand you type of thing. I don't imagine that will go over very well in the African American community either.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by August

Biden also used the slang word "ain't" which is a pretty bald faced attempt at pandering. You have to speak the peasants language for them to understand you type of thing. I don't imagine that will go over very well in the African American community either.

It was pretty cringe worthy, but expected, this type of performance in front of the media is the reason Obama hid Biden from the press for 8 years.

If I recall correctly Biden had 1 or 2 press conferences at the beginning of Obama's first term, He said something controversial or misspoke both times and after that no more press conferences.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by MaDef

It was pretty cringe worthy, but expected, [...] said something controversial or misspoke both times [...]

He must be the only one in US politics
I am quite happy that not all what german politicians say is being posted anywhere

[u crank]

Originally Posted by MaDef

It was pretty cringe worthy, but expected, this type of performance in front of the media is the reason Obama hid Biden from the press for 8 years.

If I recall correctly Biden had 1 or 2 press conferences at the beginning of Obama's first term, He said something controversial or misspoke both times and after that no more press conferences.

What is wrong with the Democrat Party? Why can't they put forward a young, reasonable and sensible candidate that would be accepted by their members? It's not like they don't have time. After eight years of the Obama presidency, Hillary Clinton was the best available candidate? A person who among other things used an unsecured email server to carry out her duties as Secretary of State. And after three and a half years of the Trump Presidency ... Joe Biden.

This isn't about Trump or Biden, it's about the Democrat hierarchy and their complete lack of vision.

[MaDef]

It's not so much a lack of vision, as there are too many different visions (ie: special interests) all vying for attention, and the democratic leadership has a hard time prioritizing and focusing on the important ones.

Here's a case in point, Biden is presumed to be the Democratic Presidential nominee, He needs to pick a running mate, and all we hear in the media is how he needs to pick a woman, preferably of color, so he doesn't lose votes. News flash, I want the best qualified candidate, and I don't care about that candidates race, gender or sexual orientation.

[mapuc]

Everywhere in the world of politics and politicians it's very common a party accuse other parties or politicians for the lost they have suffered in an election.

It also happens, which is not so common, that a party also accuse the ordinary voters - When a party does this...they have lost whatever they may have left of common sense.

If the Dem have accused an American voters and thereby the rest, for not being an American, just because s/he have put their vote on an another candidate/Trump.

In my view, they have lost every inch of common sense they may have left.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by August

Biden also used the slang word "ain't" which is a pretty bald faced attempt at pandering. You have to speak the peasants language for them to understand you type of thing. I don't imagine that will go over very well in the African American community either.

That reminds me of the times Hillary would go into a black preacher accent when addressing a black church. Pretty shameless, and pretty sad the black people don't call bs on that kind of pandering.



https://www.huffpost.com/entry/is-hi...b086f60991ba4b

[Catfish]

^ quite embarrassing, but what is this compared to what Trump has said and done? He will get through with anything.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ quite embarrassing, but what is this compared to what Trump has said and done? He will get through with anything.

The next Joe Biden blunder could cost him the election he is less than honest about his past ... In fact JB just plain out and out lies and blames it on forgetfulness.

He can 't even hope to win a face to face debate with Donald Trump without making another blunder.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ quite embarrassing, but what is this compared to what Trump has said and done? He will get through with anything.

Well there is a difference though. Let's assume that everything that the OrangeManBad crowd says about Trump is true. That he's a racist/White supremacist/Nazi. The same people who say that claim that Democrat leadership and party faithful are the exact opposite. If you are going to claim the high ground you better live up to it.

What Biden said is borderline racist and certainly pandering. But more importantly it shows the long held belief that African American voters do not have a choice when casting their ballots.

[mapuc]

One thing is what a voter are hoping will happen to a politician/candidate another thing is reality.

OK JB have made mistakes and you probably would say -some of them was big mistake but will it be enough to loose the coming election ?

Because in a Danish article some days ago, an American survey says Trump would only get 30-something percentage, if there was an election today.

Markus

[MaDef]

Because in a Danish article some days ago, an American survey says Trump would only get 30-something percentage, if there was an election today.

Those polls said the same exact thing last election with Clinton, and look how that turned out.

[Catfish]

@ u crank: You misunderstand. Just listen to one of his speeches, or read one of his tweets. This is the US president?

Trump uses a kind of primitive bullying speech and hate trying to intimidate his "enemies" (=anyone who is perceived as a threat in this second); at Memorial Day he let out a flood of insults and most primitive accusations via twitter because "THE FAKE MEDIA" dared to mention him going golfing, the least being of Mrs Clinton being a "skank", another accusing Obama for playing golf (what?). Then he went on to his usual self-appraisal. True presidential dignity and moral high ground?

A lot of what critics say about Trump is true of course. But he is not a Nazi, i doubt he even knows what that means. He is also not the devil, who is supposed to be cunning, intelligent and getting things done effectively. A little racist and mysogynist, well if he thinks it helps winning elections. No one in the rest of the world thinks "US democrats" are much better, but this is not about democrats at all, right-wing dictators like Li Jinping as Putin see Trump personally as a thick, rich spoilt child, a newly-rich parvenu, an incompetent show-offer and unsympathetic liar, irresponsible and untrustworthy, and easy to manipulate. This is not even claiming moral high ground, this is contempt. He makes them look competent, in comparison. And it is very sad for the US, and its allies




edit: look i am not really interested in pointing out the obvious, you only see what you want to see, fine, your funeral. Apart from seeing someone as sympathetic or being in the "right" party i have some very real problems with this man. It is not about americans thinking they are not yet selfish enough (though this really still bewilders me), or having other opinions, but this man has a completely different perception of reality. He denies any reason, or evidence, or science. While he tries to heave his followers and family into important positions just like the Borgias, he is even far from understanding those medieval chieftains.

He closes already small national parks and nature reserves to make it available for exploiting more resources, cutting down more forests, giving a sh!t about pollution and making the "environment" less habitable. He is not alone i know but i expect this from e.g. car manufacturers or people like Bolsonaro or Jinping, not from the US president. He is short-sighted and prefers instant personal and economical gain, he has no empathy, no understanding. Talking blithering nonsense all the time, he tries to downplay the risks of the virus while ten thousands will die due to his mismanagement just because a buzzword like freedom gets him votes. He accuses others to divert from his shortcomings, he divides people and spreads paranoia, he lets himself manipulate without even having any suspicion against real enemies. And this is by far not all.
And.. why do i even bother. Nothing will change this.