US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Mr Quatro]

If Trump had of won the entire west coast of the United States and Clinton had of won the midwest instead of Trump then she would've been the POTUS.

Is that fair?

While doing research on my lack of knowledge I found this article:

http://www.startribune.com/the-elect...ote/401967335/

First, the Electoral College tends to produce decisive outcomes. A pure popular vote contest might often lead to a disputed result.

Take this year. At last count, Clinton had surpassed a million-vote margin over Trump. It’s important to remember that the campaigns would implement different strategies in a popular vote contest — so these results simply don’t prove that Clinton would have won such a race. And while her lead is considerable, it’s still only about 1 percent of all votes cast — narrow enough to produce uncertainty if popular votes directly determined the winner and set armies of lawyers into motion.

In the unusual election of 2000, when the presidential race was decided by the paper-thin popular vote margin of a single state, we saw what agonies a mere statewide recount battle can produce. Imagine it on a national scale.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Take this year. At last count, Clinton had surpassed a million-vote margin over Trump. It’s important to remember that the campaigns would implement different strategies in a popular vote contest — so these results simply don’t prove that Clinton would have won such a race.

Oh, that's a very good point. I'll have to remember to use that.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Oh, that's a very good point. I'll have to remember to use that.

You left out this point that the article pointed out

And while her lead is considerable, it’s still only about 1 percent of all votes cast — narrow enough to produce uncertainty if popular votes directly determined the winner and set armies of lawyers into motion.

In other words a popular vote would require a recount in each state costing millions if not billions of dollars

[Sailor Steve]

Good point, Mr Q.

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

In other words a popular vote would require a recount in each state costing millions if not billions of dollars

Also, as I pointed out earlier, it could potentially cost more time than the country can afford.

[Catfish]

Manafort found guilty

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKCN1L60WU

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1L7009

"Prosecutors entered 388 exhibits into evidence and offered testimony from 27 witnesses who painted a picture of Manafort as a tax cheat who used offshore accounts to hide a significant portion of the $60 million-plus he earned working for pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine and lied to banks for obtain loans when the work dried up in 2014 and he needed cash."

He clearly is "one of us"

[Dowly]

And Michael Cohen pleads guilty to eight counts and is 'more than happy' to cooperate with the special counsel.

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1032082241797668864


The Spy Who Loved Pee sure surrounds himself with great people.

[Skybird]

Donald - The man with the license to imagine fiction and stories, sits in a deep hole and digs on, day in, day out, deeper and deeper.


What I am not clear about is whether he can just fire Mueller, or is Mueller in any way safeguarded by writen legal standards? That the Donald gets more and more nervous about the shelling creeping on his very own position, is obvious. He might reach a point where he thinks he can no longer afford to pay attention to the public impression it would leave if he fires Mueller, and just does it to get rid of him. Is that legally possible?

[Catfish]

That those two have been proven guilty is not evidence of a collusion with Russia.

If Trump has nothing to fear he should not tweet-shoot against anyone, but just sit it out.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Skybird

What I am not clear about is whether he can just fire Mueller, or is Mueller in any way safeguarded by writen legal standards? That the Donald gets more and more nervous about the shelling creeping on his very own position, is obvious. He might reach a point where he thinks he can no longer afford to pay attention to the public impression it would leave if he fires Mueller, and just does it to get rid of him. Is that legally possible?

As I understand it, he would have to have Deputy AG Rosenstein fire Mueller, and if Rosenstein refuses Trump then could try to fire Rosenstein and ask the next in line to fire Mueller.

Similiar to what Nixon did during the Watergate Scandal. (Saturday Night Massacre)


EDIT: Here's the full Rachel Maddow interview with Cohen's lawyer:

[Mr Quatro]

The Day That Everything Changed for Trump

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...lusion/568132/

I was searching the news on Bing when I noticed these two articles were right over the top of each other. Coincidence




'No order to become unready': US troops poised to confront threats from North Korea

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ks/1060016002/

Down with the racist, misanthrope and opportunist Trump - the whole family Trump should be punished.

[Sailor Steve]

Do you have any insight to go with that rant, or is it just your feelings?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Similiar to what Nixon did during the Watergate Scandal. (Saturday Night Massacre)

Thanks. First time I heard of that.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Bleiente

Down with the racist

Maybe you should go jump in a Deutsch oven.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Do you have any insight to go with that rant, or is it just your feelings?

http://translate.google.com/translat...a-1163485.html


My feeling is correct, neither the color of the skin nor the nation determines humanity; only the individual person does this alone.