US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by yubba

Sorry don't read the fake news of that liberal rag..

Trust me, I didn't think you would.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Trust me, I didn't think you would.

I for one wouldn't have thought you'd protect the status quo,, I for one don't like being sheared like a sheep,, but each to their own,, till you are led to slaughter.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by yubba

I for one wouldn't have thought you'd protect the status quo,, I for one don't like being sheared like a sheep,, but each to their own,, till you are led to slaughter.

What are you on about? The status quo of what? America?

Concentrate, Yubba. You are straying from the point of discussion, which is Trump's lies.

[AVGWarhawk]

There is no justification for Trump lies. There is no justification for Hillary's lies. There is an apparent call for the truth in reporting.

I do not understand why it is necessary to compare crowd attendance. Of what purpose does it serve other than to lift one up and put down another?

Concerning the ugly truth of the false news creating problems, I believe the perfect example is the false reporting of the MLK bust removal from the Oval Office. IMO that type of reporting is very blatant. Further, the reporter who tweeted this should be fired IMO. This reporting was only to start trouble.

The next issue at hand is the archiving of the Obama White House website on day one of Trumps administration. The amount of outcry of people stating that it has "started already" obliterating what BO has done is astonishing. These folks failed to understand this is the Obama administration when finished so is all of what his administration entails concerning paperwork and website(archived). Laws passed, some executive orders and policies remain intact until otherwise changed by Congress, SCOTUS or President.

The next order of business....Roe V Wade. Once again we are faced with the usual Roe V Wade will be abolished. The likelihood of Roe V Wade, even with a empty seat for SCOTUS, there is not enough to overturn the ruling.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Dowly

What are you on about? The status quo of what? America?

Concentrate, Yubba. You are straying from the point of discussion, which is Trump's lies.

Well I would but you haven't said what lie or lies you are concerned about,, how about being specific,, if you can.. I'm not the one believing the US lamestream fake propaganda news media that is in bed with the democrat party and the liberal left. This why there is a need for a Free Press what part of free don't you understand other than a hand out at some one else's expence..

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by yubba

Well I would but you haven't said what lie or lies you are concerned about how about being specific,, if you can..

I did tell you where you could find a list of those lies. They won't change no matter where you read them from or whether I write them here.

But, ok, how about Trump's claim that it was the media that made it look like he had a "feud" with the intelligence community?

What do you think about that? Is Trump correct or is he lying?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I did tell you where you could find a list of those lies. They won't change no matter where you read them from or whether I write them here.

But, ok, how about Trump's claim that it was the media that made it look like he had a "feud" with the intelligence community?

What do you think about that? Is Trump correct or is he lying?

He was feuding or disagreement? Sometimes it is a play on words as well. Either way, Trump was butting heads with the CIA.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

He was feuding or disagreement? Sometimes it is a play on words as well. Either way, Trump was butting heads with the CIA.

Feud was the word Trump used.

Here's the full quote:

"They (the media) are among the most dishonest human beings on Earth. And they sort of made it sound like I had a feud with the intelligence community. And I just want to let you know, the reason you're the No. 1 stop is exactly the opposite."

He also said he was a "big fan" of the int. community earlier.

The other tweets written by the tiny fingers of the God King himself say otherwise.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Oberon

"The bible, completely overrated,"

THUS: It takes two completely overrated bibles(his mothers and Lincoln's) to get the job done!??

[Schroeder]

Was anybody else reminded of this guy?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by yubba

So what justified Hillary's lies,, oooh I know she lusted for power,, and she had too deliver on her bribes,,,

So you jump right back into your game of "I know you are, but what am I." Can you answer the question or not?

"If you say Trump lied it's up to you prove beyond a dought that he did if you are going to make such bold statements,,[/quote]
That's already been shown by others. Have you answered that?

I have gone round in round with you and I do enjoy the battle and time after time you evade the issue of what was the great transformation of America was to be, you all had 8 years to do so and failed to explain it so a dummy like me could understand it,, where I stand the last administration led us down the wrong path to becoming a third world banana republic crap hole just look at Chicago..

Actually you commented once on something I said - hardly "round in round". I haven't evaded anything. August showed that I was mistaken about Trump disavowing David Duke's endorsement, and I apologized. On that note the main body of my statement - that the Old Guard racists from the South gravitated to the Republican Party following the Civil Rights movement - still stands.

As for "you all" having eight years, I told you at the time that I'm not a Liberal, and I'm not a Democrat. I'm also not a Conservative or Republican. I'm in the habit of looking at each issue by itself, not as part of a Party platform. I didn't like Obama, not because of his supposed personal flaws but because of his policies. I wasn't a fan of Bush for the same reason. Nor Clinton. Unlike you I don't follow one side or the other blindly, but try to consider everything. But you ignored all that in your sweeping "you all" statement, and automatically assume that anyone who disagrees with you or brings up a problem with your favorite candidate of the week is automatically a member of the other side and therefor your enemy. Sorry, but it just ain't so.

I think the biggest lie said other than it was a video's fault,,was if you like your plan,, like your doctor you can keep them and save 2500 bucks I believe that Trumps any white lie Trump said.. If you care to explain those lies and I will see if I can defend our new President, so what faultshood did he convey that you are concerned about ???

My plan? My doctor? Again you assume what is not true, just because I pointed out the shift in demographics for the two major parties. I was and am still against Obamacare, so there's nothing to explain. As to his falsehoods, those were brought up by others. I merely chided you for dodging the question.

[Skybird]

In a queer way, something good for Europe can come from Trump in the WH. That is that in past decades us Europeans made it our hobby to think even the most ridicule insanities, the most absurd concepts and the most reality-distanced plans while hiding behind America's big, wide military shoulders. We always assumed the big cousin on the other side of the Atlantic would not allow that the harm of our stupid ideas would ever reach us. While imagining we were immune to even the most dangerous, self-damaging plans' consequences that we take for granted America would always protect us from, we let all naivety and all stupidity and all reality-disconnection run amok in our intellectual landscape of heavily indoctrinated leftist Europe.

This seems to be impossible to continue with. And that is good.

We cannot afford to do so any longer. European nations now need to realise that we have left the comfort zone of history that there was since WWII.

This is a dangerous watershed for Europe. There is a chance, and there is a great risk. What materialises of the two, is up to Europeans themselves. America seems to be unwilling to save us from the consequences we trigger any longer.

In a way, I am thankful for this, for it will either force our "elites" to become more responsibly and competent, and very fast, or it will demask their megalomina and infantility and mouth-heroism mercilessly so that even the last idiot in the corner seat of the last row in the hall can no longer avoid to become aware of it. With the exception of hopeless cases like Corbyn, maybe.

Real dangers and real threats that must be faced and cannot be avoided, are the best of teachers. And they unsentimentally sort out those who refuse to adapt to the needs of given realities. Evolution can work wonders, if you let it.

But pleasant it will not become, I warn you in advance.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Is Trump correct or is he lying?

As far as I can tell, the media lies just as much as Trump, probably why no one trusts them anymore, but they just get upset when Trump lies:

After Decrying Fake News, Journalists Are Still Binging On Fake News

example, claim #1

According to the Politico report, which was quickly gobbled up and redistributed by every major media outlet on earth, Mnuchin foreclosed on the home of a 90-year-old widow over a 27-cent debt.

turns out to be a lie:

Pretty horrifying, right? It would be, if any of it were actually true. According to Ted Frank, a seasoned litigator who runs the Center for Class Action Fairness, the whole thing is bogus. Not only did Mnuchin’s company not have anything to do with the litigation against the woman, her home was never foreclosed on, either. The suit that was filed against her was based on faulty paperwork by the mortgage servicer and quickly dismissed, at which point the bank that was involved put an offer on the table to pay her for her troubles.

claim #2:

Then there’s the story of how Donald Trump, in one of his first acts as president, removed the bust of civil rights icon Martin Luther King, Jr. from the Oval Office.

also turns out to be a lie:

The basis for Miller’s report? He didn’t see the bust, so he assumed it must not have been there. After he was forced to correct his egregious error, Miller disclosed that he just hadn’t seen the bust because it was “obscured” by a person and a door.

claim #3:

Don’t worry, though: there’s more. Author Richard Hine tweeted that Trump “literally blew a kiss” to FBI Director James Comey during a White House meeting on Sunday.

was also a lie:

“The text above was based on the White House pool report,” he wrote. “However, now having watched the video myself, ‘hug’ seems overstated.”

http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/23/...ing-fake-news/

how can anyone trust the mainstream media when they lie so often.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Feud was the word Trump used.

Here's the full quote:

He also said he was a "big fan" of the int. community earlier.

The other tweets written by the tiny fingers of the God King himself say otherwise.

Feud, yes. A nicer way of saying he was battling it out with the CIA. In short, sugar coating. At the end of the day, why visit the CIA on a Saturday. The day after being sworn in? Of all the agencies to request voluntary participation to a Trump visit why the CIA?

Because Trump pissed the agency off!

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Skybird

In a queer way, something good for Europe can come from Trump in the WH. That is that in past decades us Europeans made it our hobby to think even the most ridicule insanities, the most absurd concepts and the most reality-distanced plans while hiding behind America's big, wide military shoulders.

I'm a bit confused as to what you are referring to. I wasn't aware we had any acute military problems atm from which we couldn't get out without US help. Afghanistan and Mali could be evacuated with help of other NATO members if need were to arise.
What other stupid adventures did we go to that would require US forces to help us?
I see far more dangerous mistakes being made with the EU economy and our suicidal migrant policies but both couldn't be fixed by US forces.