US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[August]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Sounds about right. I'd add that he's revealed that there actually is/was a democrat "deep state" also.

Yep and while some are doing their best to ignore it the chips are going to continue to fall. I hear they escorted Strzok off FBI premises under guard the other day.

[JU_88]

Increasingly the left has become hooked on the idea that we just tore all the worlds nation borders, we would magically all just live in one big happy multi cultural utopia.
Naive doesn't even begin to describe it.
Even the Chinese recently invented a derogatory term 'Baizuo' to describe 'white left' (progressive left)

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Increasingly the left has become hooked on the idea that we just tore all the worlds nation borders, we would magically all just live in one big happy multi cultural utopia.
Naive doesn't even begin to describe it.
Even the Chinese recently invented a derogatory term 'Baizuo' to describe 'white left' (progressive left)

Watch out the left might just use that ("just tear up all the worlds nation borders, we can then all just live magically in one big happy multi cultural utopia.") quote to run on in 2020

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Watch out the left might just use that ("just tear up all the worlds nation borders, we can then all just live magically in one big happy multi cultural utopia.") quote to run on in 2020

wouldn't surprise me.
Multi cultural societies are possible, but only when all the 'multiple cultures' involved ultimately agree to respect and abide by one culture lol - in that sense the term is in itself is a bit of a lie. Any society that wants to set up different rules and standards for different groups (aka the current left with its oppression Olympics) is 100% doomed to descend in to a bitter resentful hell of infighting and chaos, that much is clear.

[August]

Turns out it's the liberals who are the true authoritarians..

The American Journal of Political Science published a correction this year saying that the 2012 paper has “an error” — and that liberal political beliefs, not conservative ones, are actually linked to psychoticism.
“The interpretation of the coding of the political attitude items in the descriptive and preliminary analyses portion of the manuscript was exactly reversed,” the journal said in the startling correction.
“The descriptive analyses report that those higher in Eysenck’s psychoticism are more conservative, but they are actually more liberal; and where the original manuscript reports those higher in neuroticism and social desirability are more liberal, they are, in fact, more conservative.”
In the paper, psychoticism is associated with traits such as tough-mindedness, risk-taking, sensation-seeking, impulsivity and authoritarianism.

https://nypost.com/2016/06/09/scienc...chotic-traits/



https://nypost.com/2016/06/09/scienc...chotic-traits/

I apologize for interrupting the discussion, but I have just found this article or interviev in a respected German newspaper called "Spiegel":
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soz...a-1213873.html

Obviously, Beijing seems to be pretty sure of it...

[em2nought]

If a second American Civil War was to start tomorrow, I believe I'm almost to the point that my zeal for killing democrats would be greater than my zeal for killing the Japanese after the raid on Pearl Harbor had I been alive on Dec 7th, 1941. That's kind of a scary thought, and not to my credit. They had best turn it down a notch IMHO.

[mapuc]

I don't think a Civil war is nearby, but a seed can very well have been planted for a future conflict in the USA.
When this occurred or what kind of seed it was I can't say.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by August

Turns out it's the liberals who are the true authoritarians..






https://nypost.com/2016/06/09/scienc...chotic-traits/



https://nypost.com/2016/06/09/scienc...chotic-traits/

So what you're saying Hitler really was a liberal?

[JU_88]

Im still confused about the U.S the term 'liberals' the word seems to ecompass the authoritarian left, which i not really fair tbh.
A true liberal will have more nuanced/balanced views on things like the role and size of government, economics, foreign policy, immigration etc. (Much like your average conservative does)
What you are seeing from your 'loudest' democrats now is not very liberal at all but far left authoritarianism.

Also take this infamous ANTIFA graffiti from the Berkeley riots for example.



'liberals' like most conservatives have enemies at both ends of the political spectrum. They should not be the enemy. An actual 'liberal' will have little problem in identifying the insane ideological dogma of the far left. - like most conservatives they might not have the backbone to speak out against it publicly.
But to be fair, we are now in a situation where doing so can quite easily cost you your job and/or reputation (if you have one).....
Look at James Demore, Bret Wienstien, Lindsay Shepard, and to some extent, Jordan Peterson, Elon Musk, & Kanye West - though those last three (like Trump) proved too robust to take down, but all are liberals or conservative moderates.
which kind of re-enforces the gyst of the article that August posted, lets face it. Failing the far lefts moral purity test is now punishable in real world terms. If that's not authoritarian I don't know what is.

Imo Liberals and conservatives are in the same boat and need to put some of there differences aside to hold the moderate line at all costs, long enough to let the already powerful far left eat it self and to also keep the less significant (real) far right at bay.

However if Civil war II did break out (and I genuinely hope it doesn't), I know who I'd put my money on.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Im still confused about the U.S the term 'liberals' the word seems to ecompass the authoritarian left, which i not really fair tbh.
A true liberal will have more nuanced/balanced views on things like the role and size of government, economics, foreign policy, immigration etc. (Much like your average conservative does)
What you are seeing from your 'loudest' democrats now is not very liberal at all but far left authoritarianism.

Indeed. True 'Classic Liberals' are a dying breed. I believe that this 'authoritarian left' is being infused and taken over by some very extreme anti-intellectual views. The most predominate one is identity politics. Long held truths, for example, are derided and discarded because they are the product of a dead white guy. Your value to society is not what you contribute but what you are. What could produce an unjust society more than illogical thinking like that?

which kind of re-enforces the gist of the article that August posted, lets face it. Failing the far lefts moral purity test is now punishable in real world terms. If that's not authoritarian I don't know what is.

The real calling card of the authoritarian left, one which drives it in the media and politics is constant moral outrage. This results in labeling your opponents with every manner of immoral names. Fascist, Nazi, racist,etc. The moral outrage can't stop or the movement dies. This produces some very unhinged rhetoric, which sensible people on the Left refuse to call out much to their shame. The beast feeds itself.

The problem with the 'progressive left' is just that. It keeps moving left.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by u crank

The real calling card of the authoritarian left, one which drives it in the media and politics is constant moral outrage. This results in labeling your opponents with every manner of immoral names. Fascist, Nazi, racist,etc. The moral outrage can't stop or the movement dies. This produces some very unhinged rhetoric, which sensible people on the Left refuse to call out much to their shame. The beast feeds itself.

Yeah I think its all dying though, never mind the obvious recent shift in the political landscape.
Look at the youth culture. I mean which one do you think is going to resonate more.

(NSFW)

This?



Or these?





No contest

[Mr Quatro]

I clicked on some click bait about Sanders that said he wasn't a liberal and then in the article it stated how he was going to run for POTUS in 2020. I can't believe he would try again. I think he's even been indicted for money laundering too.

This isn't the click bait article just a PR stunt

Sanders congratulates progressive candidates on primary wins

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...n-primary-wins

PS Sanders is 76 years old

I found the click bait don't click on it: Bernie Sanders Is Not the Left

https://newrepublic.com/article/1493...nders-not-left

[Onkel Neal]

Haha, get ready for a whole new wave of liberal hysteria.

Kennedy retirement kicks speculation over Supreme Court replacement into high gear

President Trump told reporters the “search for a new justice will begin immediately” after the Wednesday announcement from Justice Anthony Kennedy that he plans to step down from the high court.

The announcement kick-started rampant speculation about whom Trump will pick for what could be the most consequential appointment of his presidency, giving him the opportunity to move the Supreme Court more solidly to the right.

My guess is Amul Thapar or Joan Larsen, you know, someone to appease the left's identity counters, but it won't help.

[Skybird]

German media report the Pentagon studies plans to withdraw most or all of its forces from Germany, either back home, or shifting them to Poland. Same media also state Trump considers recognition of the Russian Krim annexion.


Its unknown whether these things are meant serious, or are just threats to influence the coming NATO summit.


If I were Trump, I would pull out of Germany, in full. That is no anti-Americanism from my side. The Germans must finally learn to care for their freedom and security by their own means. They have taken a free ride at the US' cost for too long already. Complecancy, bigottery and weakness have taken over.

Recognising the Krim annexion, would just be Realpolitik. The russians will nto give it up, no matter what the EU monkey cry and yell. The Ukraine, being a hellhole of corruption and criminal oligarchies forming the political caste, must not be a priority for us. Its up to its people to claim it back for themselves - or always fall for the same bunch of criminal politicians time and again. The Ukraine is no enrichment for the EU, just another hungry mouth that needs to get oulled by the West.


They want to enlarge the EU already again, with Albania and Makedonia. More hungry mouthes that will take much more than they ever give back. Thanks, but no thanks at all.


Germany currently hosts the biggest contingent of US forces outside the US. I thought that meanwhile Southkorea was in that seat, but if they write the truth, I was wrong. Some 35 thousand GIs are still here.