US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 259

u crank · 12-02-17, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

I don't have to try: you've already admitted you're a Canadian...

You... you... hoser.

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Watergate is used as a sort of standard measure to define the scurrilousness of political malfeasance of any party stripe. The severe distrust and disdain of various Presidents since Nixon towards the press, and vice versa, was born out of Nixon's actions as President. The overtly hostile atmosphere in current US politics is a by-product of the Nixon years. Civility in US politics was virtually annihilated after Nixon and seems to be only getting worse.

I cannot disagree. What I see now in the American political system is a disturbing trend. It is the criminalization of political belief. It is no longer enough to simply disagree. The opponent is a criminal that has to be prosecuted. Impeach him. Lock her up. This is disturbing. It worries me. I hope it is not the future.

em2nought · 12-03-17, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Yep if they manage to bring Trump down there will never be a successful challenge to the Deep State again, at least one that doesn't involve blood shed.

vienna · 12-04-17, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

You... you... hoser.

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That's MR. Hoser to you, ya dang Canuck!

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Originally Posted by u crank

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I cannot disagree. What I see now in the American political system is a disturbing trend. It is the criminalization of political belief. It is no longer enough to simply disagree. The opponent is a criminal that has to be prosecuted. Impeach him. Lock her up. This is disturbing. It worries me. I hope it is not the future.

Unfortunately, I fear it may get worse. The rise of 'news' organizations, blogs, etc., who are little more than outlets for whatever stripe of political axe to grind has rendered actual researched and confirmed reportage a dying breed. The really big recent hit came when the idea of "alternative facts" got into common usage; now we have 'reporters' and government officials using the deeply flawed concept as a shield for whatever idiocy and nonsense they wish to foist off as "real" on the public...

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vienna · 12-04-17, 05:48 PM

I have a feeling there's going to be some more data about Roy Moore coming out as the election date gets closer; wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't something really damning waiting in the wings:

Woman shares new evidence of relationship with Roy Moore when she was 17 --

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.8232b9b835d5

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u crank · 12-04-17, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

I have a feeling .......

I have a felling it's not going to matter.

Rockstar · 12-04-17, 11:15 PM

Dowly · 12-05-17, 07:49 AM

Deutsche Bank receives subpoena from Mueller on Trump accounts: source

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FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Special Counsel Robert Mueller has asked Deutsche Bank (DBKGn.DE) to share data on accounts held by U.S. President Donald Trump and his family, a person close to the matter said on Tuesday.

Isn't this exactly what Trump warned Mueller not to do earlier this year?

u crank · 12-05-17, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

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Isn't this exactly what Trump warned Mueller not to do earlier this year?

Indeed it is.

Ok here is my way out in left field, hailmary, conspiracy theory. Mueller has nothing. Not only that but the recent revelations about Peter Strzok is problematic for him. He wants Trump to fire him. It does two things for him. Gets him, Mueller, of the hook and creates a new crisis for Trump.

Takes off tin foil hat and stares at secret decoder ring.

Dowly · 12-05-17, 08:41 AM

Sure, everything's possible.

EDIT: Though, aren't subpoenas decided on by the Grand Jury in this case? Mueller just proposes them and gives them information to come to an decision?

Rockstar · 12-05-17, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Deutsche Bank receives subpoena from Mueller on Trump accounts: source

Isn't this exactly what Trump warned Mueller not to do earlier this year?

Apparently nobody ever issued a subpoena. Like ya said though anything is possible, just not now. lol

But if you still believe the medias claim a subpoena was issued to the German bank then you should believe their claim that Mueller issued it.

Catfish · 12-05-17, 04:04 PM

^ This is all over the media in Germany, just not on the front pages.

There is more of this in the media
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...llow-drilling/

and the other side:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...-decision.html

Rockstar · 12-05-17, 04:29 PM

Oh I'm sure it is spreading like wildfire.

Rockstar · 12-05-17, 04:35 PM

Media/Ideology A

Media/Ideology B

Rockstar · 12-05-17, 06:20 PM

Keep in mind too 2018 mid term elections are right around the corner. Frenzied accusations of collusion from one side and sexual misconduct from the other.

Mr Quatro · 12-06-17, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Unfortunately, I fear it may get worse. The rise of 'news' organizations, blogs, etc., who are little more than outlets for whatever stripe of political axe to grind has rendered actual researched and confirmed reportage a dying breed. The really big recent hit came when the idea of "alternative facts" got into common usage; now we have 'reporters' and government officials using the deeply flawed concept as a shield for whatever idiocy and nonsense they wish to foist off as "real" on the public...

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This is as true as it gets vienna, but have you noticed that birds of a feather stick together, especially when it comes to news reporting. Remember the old news man Dan Rather?

One mistake cost him his job ... the job of reporting the news, but instead of that he was making up stories in the news. People believe who they will believe and the news people, like Matt Lauer, are paid large sums of money for you to trust that they are telling you the truth.

The truth with a slant for the left or for the right is what the birds of a feather are looking for.

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vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,720 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I have a feeling there's going to be some more data about Roy Moore coming out as the election date gets closer; wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't something really damning waiting in the wings: Woman shares new evidence of relationship with Roy Moore when she was 17 -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.8232b9b835d5 <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,055 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Sure, everything's possible. EDIT: Though, aren't subpoenas decided on by the Grand Jury in this case? Mueller just proposes them and gives them information to come to an decision? Last edited by Dowly; 12-05-17 at 09:29 AM.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,801 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ This is all over the media in Germany, just not on the front pages. There is more of this in the media http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...llow-drilling/ and the other side: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...-decision.html __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 12-05-17 at 04:17 PM.*

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12-05-17, 04:29 PM	#3882
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Oh I'm sure it is spreading like wildfire.

12-05-17, 04:35 PM	#3883
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Media/Ideology A Media/Ideology B

12-05-17, 06:20 PM	#3884
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Keep in mind too 2018 mid term elections are right around the corner. Frenzied accusations of collusion from one side and sexual misconduct from the other.