US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Oberon]

I thought you were in socialist hippy Europe at the moment anyway Neal.

Still, kudos to Trump, he didn't manage to shoot himself during this speech, although I'm not sure the tribute to Ryan Owens will be enough to heal the clustertruck that has been the fallout from that op, but at least a tribute was made.

I'm still not convinced he's presidential material, but I have to give him kudos for not screwing this particular event up by spending ninety minutes rambling about himself and how huge his support is.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Like it or not - Trump is more popular than those opposing him want to realise he is.

Me, I just scratch my head why this is so - but I take note of that it is so.

Conservatives have learned to lie on polls in order to discredit the media. Not that the media needed much help with that.

It helps that if conservatives actually express their views the other side goes ape$hit, and starts throwing around all kinds of nasty unjustified words. I think all I'd have to do to avoid jury duty(crime is mostly a democrat thing anyway ) is tell them I voted for Trump.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Conservatives have learned to lie on polls in order to discredit the media. Not that the media needed much help with that.

It helps that if conservatives actually express their views the other side goes ape$hit, and starts throwing around all kinds of nasty unjustified words. I think all I'd have to do to avoid jury duty(crime is mostly a democrat thing anyway ) is tell them I voted for Trump.

I know that was a tongue-in-cheek comment, but there may be some truth in that statement. I've seen a few studies/articles that intimate as much. here's a link to a 2014 article supporting that view.
jail-survey-7-in-10-felons-register-as-democrats

[Catfish]

Well it seems this cannot be taken for granted:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...minals-democr/

Of course, if Ted Cruz was a democrat, he would probably announce that republican suppression (with the police on their side) criminalizes and incarcerates more democrats.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Well it seems this cannot be taken for granted:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...minals-democr/

You moved the bar to include violence, but that still doesn't invalidate the original "most criminals are democrats".

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opini...what/98547708/



If true, he's done. His signature position out the window, may as well join the Democrats, quit my job, and get signed up for some benefits. Where'd I leave my fishing pole?

Remember that Trump was a Democrat for many years. He only acted like a Republican in order to con the voters. Successfully it turned out.

He is worse than a RINO. He is a Republican Only When Convenient --ROWC

Let's face it. Trump is the ultimate salesman. He will be what ever he thinks will win someone over. People who voted for him really need to read his ghost written books. Nothing that Trump has done should be a surprise. In that way, he is probably the most straightforward politician we have had in a long time.

[Rockstar]

Would it then be safe to say, his politics really cant fit in any one box?

[Bilge_Rat]

looks like the speech was a success:

The early reaction to President Donald Trump’s address to a joint session of Congress could hardly have been more clear: the speech was a hit with viewers.

A CBS News/YouGov poll of people who watched the address found 76 percent of viewers approved of the speech and 82 percent found it “presidential.” Seventy-one percent of viewers — and even 36 percent of Democrats — found the speech “unifying,” according to the poll. A CNN/ORC poll of speech-watchers found about 70 percent made them feel more optimistic about the direction of the country and nearly two-thirds felt Trump had the right priorities.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ss-2017-235558

[ValoWay]

yea, just read trumpy's speech to congress..

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39124596

What I like is that he takes steps against lobbying and wants to repair all those F'ed up neighborhoods in cities like detroit or philly.

We have begun to drain the swamp of government corruption by imposing a 5 year ban on lobbying by executive branch officials -- and a lifetime ban on becoming lobbyists for a foreign government.

We've financed and built one global project after another, but ignored the fates of our children in the inner cities of Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit -- and so many other places throughout our land.

That's about it, though.. The rest sounds to me like the usual BS politicians always come up with to please the uneducated everyman like everything will be made in america, no more unemployment and that sort of jazz..

He goes on and on about illegal immigrants and even uses them as a scapegoat just like the one with the stache once did in germany with the jews..

...At the same time, my Administration has answered the pleas of the American people for immigration enforcement and border security. By finally enforcing our immigration laws, we will raise wages, help the unemployed, save billions of dollars, and make our communities safer for everyone. We want all Americans to succeed..

No bueno, mr. trump

[Oberon]

To be fair, the bar was pretty low.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Oberon

To be fair, the bar was pretty low.

you mean he did not drool...

I thought the speech was fine. Interesting to see how quickly Trump is finally pivoting from his campaign style into a more Presidential style. The substance of the policy is about the same, but the rhetoric has been toned down.

Reading between the lines, I get the impression Bannon has lost some of his influence after all those misteps over the past month. Notice for example that the "new" Travel Ban keeps getting pushed back and rumours keep coming out that it is being watered down.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

you mean he did not drool...

I thought the speech was fine. Interesting to see how quickly Trump is finally pivoting from his campaign style into a more Presidential style. The substance of the policy is about the same, but the rhetoric has been toned down.

Reading between the lines, I get the impression Bannon has lost some of his influence after all those misteps over the past month. Notice for example that the "new" Travel Ban keeps getting pushed back and rumours keep coming out that it is being watered down.

Indeed, there definitely seems to be some sort of shift going on behind the scenes, with the new ban being pushed back so to keep a hold of the good vibes from the speech as long as possible, as well as the watering down rumours and the recent rumour that he'd be open to making some illegals legal.
We'll see, if he can get through the rest of this month without putting his foot in it then he might be able to sway his polls about a bit.

[Platapus]

Obama also had a good speech writers. Most presidents have skilled speech writers.

Having a good speech writer does not a good president make.

I really can't care less what a politician says. I am more interested in their actions and the results of those actions.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I thought you were in socialist hippy Europe at the moment anyway Neal.

What? Haven't you been keeping up with the Neal Newsletter?

Sheesh. I've been back for 5 months. How'd you miss that?

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Obama also had a good speech writers. Most presidents have skilled speech writers.

Having a good speech writer does not a good president make.

I really can't care less what a politician says. I am more interested in their actions and the results of those actions.

I've been wondering when he'd get a speech writer.

But you're absolutely right, actions speak louder than words.

But most of the job of a politician is convincing their constituents that what they are doing is good for the people. A group will be hesitant to follow a leader if their words do not inspire confidence. So when a poor orator tries to enact something, people are less lenient towards accepting it.