US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The easier way to bring more notes of lesser value on the streets, is to forbid cash payment and ban notes and coins, and go all-digital and cash-free. Its also easier for the state and for the banks and credit companies to plunder those private savings of people that so far get hidden by their owners by not storing them on banking accounts, but in private safes. If all is digital in the money world, and people have no more altenratives and options to evade the plunderers,

- banks can dictate any fees and costs they want,

- credit card companies can dictate any fees and costs they want,

- central banks can go to negative interests and steal and plunder private values as they want,

- finance ministries can blackmail and cash even easier any protection money that they want,

- a person's consumer and behavior profile can be even easier completed and examined to detail that most people are not even now aware of.

Its like demanding the victim of a rape to thank its rapist afterwards for the pleasurable experience. Its a crime of the highest and most inhumane category. The negative consequences for states, societies, whole people and economic systems, cannot be overestmated, and they are here to last for long time to come. Few people are really aware of all this, and just think in terms of their most imminent comfortability, and not thinking of the consequences. Idiots.

I will never understand why peope use credit cards. I go to the bakery, and buy a bread. The woman gives me the bread, but when I want to hand her the money, a foreigner squeezes himself in and takes my money from my hand, and hands it over to her. She counts the chnage, and gives it not to me, but to him, and then he gives it to me. And for this "service" of his he demands me - or her, or us both - to pay him a fee...? He should be spanked and then brought to court, like credit card companies should be burned down from roof to basement. Parasites, nothing else they are. And great illusionists.

Gosh...I only wanted to go to the skin bar with a fist full of dollars.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Gosh...I only wanted to go to the skin bar with a fist full of dollars.

Shouldn't be a problem with the new chipped cards. Just be sure you keep the card fully inserted, in the slot, until after the transaction is completed.

eww

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Shouldn't be a problem with the new chipped cards. Just be sure you keep the card fully inserted, in the slot, until after the transaction is completed.

eww

Oh my.......

[Oberon]

Well, at least there'll be less tourists at the skin bar:

http://www.frommers.com/tips/miscell...-united-states

[Catfish]

The thing is not necessarily about convenience (which exists, using a cc) or about banks making money with those credit cards (some do, some not).

I feel more insecure by giving away the exact date, time and price i paid, and where. Along with which products i bought. It is easy to identify certain traits and preferences, giving away information about you that you probably do not want others to know, or exploit.
Advertising using this data is relatively harmless, but there is of course other information which can be used against you, from criminals to the police, and the latter is not always as well-meaning as "in the west". I would not use that e.g. in Turkey..

It is like with smartphones, be aware of what they can reveal about you, and act accordingly. A complete ban of cash money is of course something that would get me started..

[Catfish]

Wow. Bannon is really serious about fighting the media

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.68a6e7ec9633

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Wow. Bannon is really serious about fighting the media

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.68a6e7ec9633

Of course he is.

That's what happens when the media drops all pretense of objectivity and supports one party over the other. Advance notice of debate questions, the promise of positive coverage, they even gave the Democrats editorial control over the stories they were writing. How can the Republicans see the media as anything but their enemy?

[Catfish]

^ Well their is Breitbart (Bannon's paper), Fox News, American Thinker and lots of others openly taking side for, and supporting Trump. But i agree, the main part of the US media would be indeed "left", for most Americans.
Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC i saw being described as "left", however from a european view at last WP appears more neutral.

But does this swoosh in the media forest not happen after every US election?
Trump is of course not "mainstream", from whatever point of view, and he polarizes.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Of course he is.

That's what happens when the media drops all pretense of objectivity and supports one party over the other. Advance notice of debate questions, the promise of positive coverage, they even gave the Democrats editorial control over the stories they were writing. How can the Republicans see the media as anything but their enemy?

Many seem forget all of this happened. Glad it is not getting carpet swept. Quite a few(McCain) stating controlling/suppressing the media is the beginning of a dictatorship. Well, it would appeared the controlling/suppressing started within the media itself.

[Platapus]

Trump does seem to be acting like a bully.

He has no problem dishing it out, but when someone stands up to him, all of a sudden people are being mean to him and he needs a safe area.

He really needs to understand that this is not like being the CEO of a family owned business where everyone pretends to like you.

Perhaps Trump has spent his live having his ego stroked. Well, welcome to politics kid. This ain't your family.

I think some old dead guy once said something about the temperature of kitchens.

This guy has some serious growing up to do and not a lot of time to do it.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by August

Of course he is.

That's what happens when the media drops all pretense of objectivity and supports one party over the other. Advance notice of debate questions, the promise of positive coverage, they even gave the Democrats editorial control over the stories they were writing. How can the Republicans see the media as anything but their enemy?

That idea really isn't anything new, News Media has always had an adversarial and sometimes contentious relationship with Government. The problem here is that stories can be confirmed/refuted almost instantaneously via the internet so any bias is readily apparent.

Many seem forget all of this happened. Glad it is not getting carpet swept. Quite a few(McCain) stating controlling/suppressing the media is the beginning of a dictatorship. Well, it would appeared the controlling/suppressing started within the media itself.

As for McCain's worry, that can't happen without the approval of Congress.
Trump if he desires can evict the press corp from the west wing, there is no law requiring him or any president to give them that space (it's only tradition). The fallout on the other hand would be way over the top.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Trump does seem to be acting like a bully.

He has no problem dishing it out, but when someone stands up to him, all of a sudden people are being mean to him and he needs a safe area.

He really needs to understand that this is not like being the CEO of a family owned business where everyone pretends to like you.

Perhaps Trump has spent his live having his ego stroked. Well, welcome to politics kid. This ain't your family.

I think some old dead guy once said something about the temperature of kitchens.

This guy has some serious growing up to do and not a lot of time to do it.

I think he's playing you and the media, everyone is focused on his feud with the media. Almost all the stories about Trump focus on this feud yet there is very little in the "mainstream" media about the 5 EO's he's implemented in the last 3 weeks.

1. Presidential Executive Order on Enforcing Federal Law with Respect to Transnational Criminal Organizations and Preventing International Trafficking

2. Presidential Executive Order on Preventing Violence Against Federal, State, Tribal, and Local Law Enforcement Officers

3.Presidential Executive Order on a Task Force on Crime Reduction and Public Safety

4. Presidential Executive Order on Core Principles for Regulating the United States Financial System

5. Presidential Executive Order on Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs

[Oberon]

He's also saved the American arms industry by vowing for a nuclear arms race with Russia.

[August]

Originally Posted by MaDef

That idea really isn't anything new, News Media has always had an adversarial and sometimes contentious relationship with Government.

Well as my post pointed out they are entirely too chummy with the Democrats. They only seem to have an adversarial relationship with the Republicans.

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

He's also saved the American arms industry by vowing for a nuclear arms race with Russia.

Right because a single off hand quip is enough to save an entire industry sector from bankruptcy.