US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Oberon

It's not as if there weren't warnings, but since they came from 'experts' and 'fake news' then it doesn't matter. If and when it does happen it'll all be the fault of Liberals / Muslims / Mexicans / Illegal immigrants / Canada / Saturday Night Live [Delete as appropriate] anyway.

It was precisely those reasons I voted for trump, the 2 party Partisan crap was getting stale, Who better to shake things up than a non-politically correct outsider. 3 weeks into the Trump administration, and I already got my moneys worth from my vote. I mean California's talking about seceding from the Union, as long as they give me 60day notice to vacate the state, they have my vote

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

That's all they can do ... have you noticed that the pre-election DNC with Hillary and the after election DNC without Hillary is basically the same?

All they can do is boo hoo what Trump is doing without any alternate choices

The rest of the chicken doesn't quite realise that the head has been removed yet.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by MaDef

It was precisely those reasons I voted for trump, the 2 party Partisan crap was getting stale, Who better to shake things up than a non-politically correct outsider. 3 weeks into the Trump administration, and I already got my moneys worth from my vote. I mean California's talking about seceding from the Union, as long as they give me 60day notice to vacate the state, they have my vote

So basically you're bored of the house and want to set fire to it while you're still inside?

Seems sound.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Then it's a rather sad state of affairs for the party of Lincoln, if rather than 'Four Score and Seven years ago' we get 'One Hundred and Forty Characters ago."

I agree with your assessment on the Dems though, they are going to take a while to repair, so unless Trump really drives the US into the dirt, they'll not be back to contention until 2024. In the meantime I think their goal will be to try and get one of the Houses back so they can play the Obama GOP game.

not really, Republican/democrat, those are 2 sides of the same coin, What the U.S. government needs is a new coin. and we just might get it with the Tea Party, Independents & Trump.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Oberon

So basically you're bored of the house and want to set fire to it while you're still inside?

Seems sound.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Oberon

So basically you're bored of the house and want to set fire to it while you're still inside?

Seems sound.

No, if I wanted to go that far, I'd be advocating insurrection.

this is more like I have insufferable neighbors so I rented my house out to a drummer in a death metal band, and told them it was cool to practice in the garage.

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by MaDef

this is more like I have insufferable neighbors so I rented my house out to a drummer in a death metal band, and told them it was cool to practice in the garage.

Your a cold hearted SOB!!


I think I like you.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by MaDef

No, if I wanted to go that far, I'd be advocating insurrection.

this is more like I have insufferable neighbors so I rented my house out to a drummer in a death metal band, and told them it was cool to practice in the garage.

I like that analogy.

I see the whole thing about the 'two party partisan crap' from time to time, and I kind of understand where you're coming from, and getting a non-career politician into the White House would be an admirable goal...but...he's the head of a multi-million dollar business, with very questionable business skills who seems to be having a few problems separating his new job from his old one.
He's essentially a career politician in all but name.

EDIT: Also, Flynn...wonder how deep the rabbit hole is going to go on this one....

About six feet it seems, and Flynn falls on his sword. Kellog, Petraeus or Harward up to the plate next.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by MaDef

[...] this is more like I have insufferable neighbors so I rented my house out to a drummer in a death metal band, and told them it was cool to practice in the garage.

[Catfish]

OT, but ..

Originally Posted by August
"Right, because the war cost us nothing but a few guns and if you want to compare us to nazis then maybe you need to be reminded of that again."

Originally Posted by Oberon

We gave you our bases, we gave you $82.5m, and we gave you support in nearly every major war you have been in since 1945 (with the exception of Vietnam). At what point do you stop saying "If it wasn't for us..."? We get it, you helped us, we're grateful, but that does not colour any argument in the modern day.

Sry for being late, too much going on in this thread.
When just reading about the Suez crisis i read that here:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ast.education1

" ... In reality, though, the sun had long since begun to sink over the British empire. The greatest possession of them all, the Indian subcontinent, had taken its freedom. Nationalist movements were flourishing in most of the rest, patronised by Soviet Russia and encouraged by the United States in its self-appointed role as leader of the free world. Britain itself was only beginning to emerge from postwar austerity, its public finances crushed by an accumulation of war debt. ..."

I had not heard about the US' role in UK colonial matters, but this makes sense. Sry for OT here, but thought this article was worth it.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I like that analogy.

I see the whole thing about the 'two party partisan crap' from time to time, and I kind of understand where you're coming from, and getting a non-career politician into the White House would be an admirable goal...but...he's the head of a multi-million dollar business, with very questionable business skills who seems to be having a few problems separating his new job from his old one.
He's essentially a career politician in all but name.

EDIT: Also, Flynn...wonder how deep the rabbit hole is going to go on this one....

About six feet it seems, and Flynn falls on his sword. Kellog, Petraeus or Harward up to the plate next.

Think on this, we have had 44 Presidents (not including Trump). Nary a one is listed as a Businessman as their primary occupation.
3 - Farmers
18 - Lawyers*
5 - Soldiers
3 - School Teachers
1 - Engineer
2 - Pilots
1 - Actor
2 - Writers/journalists
1 - football Player (served as president, never elected)
1 - Actor
1 - Community organizer
1 - Sailor
1 - Sheriff
1 - Public official (old speak for politician)
3 - Land Surveyors
*Grover Cleveland counted twice since he is both the 22nd & 24th president)


The executive Branch is tasked with implementing & managing whatever cockamamie idea that comes out of congress, (key word here is managing).
and given the size of the Federal government a Professional manager is what's needed.

Trump isn't mother Teresa or Ghandi, lets face it, his ego is bigger than flyover country, He is Brash, irreverent & larger than life,in other words the quintessential American. He didn't seek the Presidency because he thought he could make the world a better place, or out of a sense of duty to his country, or for money & power, He did it because he thinks he can do a better job than anyone else. He did it for the same reason Sir Hillary climbed Mt Everest, because he could.

Everyone is looking for external reasons as to why/how he now sits in the white house, Think about it, He won the Presidency and it cost him less than half of what it cost Clinton to lose, and he did it with halfhearted support from the GOP. Trump knows where he wants to go and how he wants to get there, (he just hasn't told the rest of us, except in general terms) Right now he's focused on putting his house in order, getting his people into place and giving them their orders. Once that's done, He'll clue the rest of us in on His Itinerary. I think it's the not knowing that's giving you kids the Heebie-jeebies. So sit back and enjoy the ride.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by MaDef

The executive Branch is tasked with implementing & managing whatever cockamamie idea that comes out of congress, (key word here is managing).
and given the size of the Federal government a Professional manager is what's needed.

Trump isn't mother Teresa or Ghandi, lets face it, his ego is bigger than flyover country, He is Brash, irreverent & larger than life,in other words the quintessential American. He didn't seek the Presidency because he thought he could make the world a better place, or out of a sense of duty to his country, or for money & power, He did it because he thinks he can do a better job than anyone else. He did it for the same reason Sir Hillary climbed Mt Everest, because he could.

Everyone is looking for external reasons as to why/how he now sits in the white house, Think about it, He won the Presidency and it cost him less than half of what it cost Clinton to lose, and he did it with halfhearted support from the GOP. Trump knows where he wants to go and how he wants to get there, (he just hasn't told the rest of us, except in general terms) Right now he's focused on putting his house in order, getting his people into place and giving them their orders. Once that's done, He'll clue the rest of us in on His Itinerary. I think it's the not knowing that's giving you kids the Heebie-jeebies. So sit back and enjoy the ride.

In a nutshell. good post!

[Oberon]

That's part of it, and the other part is how he acts, and what he says, just a quick look through his twitter account to get an idea of his mentality, and the way he is mixing his businesses with his new job.

One of his more recent tweets:

The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?

Here's an idea Donald, don't do this:

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by MaDef

Think on this, we have had 44 Presidents (not including Trump). Nary a one is listed as a Businessman as their primary occupation.
3 - Farmers
18 - Lawyers*
5 - Soldiers
3 - School Teachers
1 - Engineer
2 - Pilots
1 - Actor
2 - Writers/journalists
1 - football Player (served as president, never elected)
1 - Actor
1 - Community organizer
1 - Sailor
1 - Sheriff
1 - Public official (old speak for politician)
3 - Land Surveyors
*Grover Cleveland counted twice since he is both the 22nd & 24th president)


The executive Branch is tasked with implementing & managing whatever cockamamie idea that comes out of congress, (key word here is managing).
and given the size of the Federal government a Professional manager is what's needed.

Trump isn't mother Teresa or Ghandi, lets face it, his ego is bigger than flyover country, He is Brash, irreverent & larger than life,in other words the quintessential American. He didn't seek the Presidency because he thought he could make the world a better place, or out of a sense of duty to his country, or for money & power, He did it because he thinks he can do a better job than anyone else. He did it for the same reason Sir Hillary climbed Mt Everest, because he could.

Everyone is looking for external reasons as to why/how he now sits in the white house, Think about it, He won the Presidency and it cost him less than half of what it cost Clinton to lose, and he did it with halfhearted support from the GOP. Trump knows where he wants to go and how he wants to get there, (he just hasn't told the rest of us, except in general terms) Right now he's focused on putting his house in order, getting his people into place and giving them their orders. Once that's done, He'll clue the rest of us in on His Itinerary. I think it's the not knowing that's giving you kids the Heebie-jeebies. So sit back and enjoy the ride.

[Skybird]

With Flynn gone, Putin's team mourns the loss of a good man. Maybe Conway can send the Kremlin some cheap condolences on sale?