FuMO-391 - full functionality

rowi58 · 10-28-06, 12:01 AM

Hi everyone,

you know that problem: After choosing FuMO-391 Radar for type XXI submarine you always got the messages "Radar Destroyed" and "Radar Antenna Destroyed". Looking at the radar-screen, it seems as if the FuMO 391 is active - but contacts were neither displayed nor announced by the RO.

With this "BugFix" you will be able to use this radartype when you are on snorkel depth (max. 15 meters!). There will be no more messages like "Radar Destroyed".

You can DL it at UBRS (it is uploaded some minutes ago) or use the following link:

http://files.filefront.com/FUMO391_B.../fileinfo.html

Read the "ReadMe.txt" for more details and for installation. The Basic.cfg file must be edit manualy (cause everyone has serveral changes in this file - fatique, renown, awards - i did not include a ready-to-install-Basic.cfg).

Greetz
rowi58

10-28-06, 01:05 AM

Only 1 small problem. The radar unit does NOT go ontop of the Snorkel, the RWR does. The Anttena you have used is NOT a Radar Anttena, is the RWR Anttena. The actual Radar anttena for the TypeXXI is missing.

The TypeXXI could NOT use its radar when submerged, only its RWR ontop of the snorkel.

rowi58 · 10-28-06, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cdre Gibs

Only 1 small problem. The radar unit does NOT go ontop of the Snorkel, the RWR does. The Anttena you have used is NOT a Radar Anttena, is the RWR Anttena. The actual Radar anttena for the TypeXXI is missing.

The TypeXXI could NOT use its radar when submerged, only its RWR ontop of the snorkel.

Hi,

it is the original antenna of the FuMO 391 as Ubisoft has put into the Sensors.dat (extract all and take a look at the FUMO391.obj). Ubisoft used the FUMB26Tunis.obj without pole and named it FUMO391.obj. So it looks similar to the RWR, but it will work as a Radar. You can test it with the included SingleMission.

rowi58

VonHelsching · 10-28-06, 04:19 AM

Hi Rowi,

Thanks for your efforts. You are close to fixing one of the worst SHIII bugs for me, since Typ XXI is my favoured Uboat. And I say close, since Ubi research didn't get that detail right.

In reality, on top of the snorkel, there wasn't a radar, but a radar warning receiver. I don't know which type, but a clone of the latest available would be fine as a compromise. Is it too much work to make this finally right?

One caveat for your fix is that the FuMO-391 will be always on, thus attracting too many planes, in an already dangerous period. Don't get me wrong, though. Your fix is great. But if you could make that last step...

Von

10-28-06, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowi58

it is the original antenna of the FuMO 391 as Ubisoft has put into the Sensors.dat (extract all and take a look at the FUMO391.obj). Ubisoft used the FUMB26Tunis.obj without pole and named it FUMO391.obj. So it looks similar to the RWR, but it will work as a Radar. You can test it with the included SingleMission.

rowi58

I'll say it again, the Anttena you have used is NOT a Radar Array Anttena, its a RWR Anttena. Just because Ubi used it as a Radar Anttena does not make it correct, hell Ubi cant organise a pissup in a brewy with a fist full of $100.00 so how do you expect them to get something like this correct. And yes I extracted the sensor dat ages ago and had a look at this issue, so I'm well aware of what you have done, and its incorrect as far as 2 things.
1) You placed the radar atop the Snorkel - never happend.
2) You used for said radar an RWR Anttena.

FIX- Leave anttena where it is. Change it to what it should be, that being an RWR Unit. Next find the correct Fumo391 Anttena, (I have looked for 1 and I never found 1), use the original Fumo391 Anttena Spec's (if you can find 1) to make a new 3D model for the Fumo391 Anttena and use that on its own mast on the conning tower. Then you'd be correct.

This is just 1 of the reasons I have not released the sensor fix I had started to do for the TypeXXI, could never find the correct 391 Anttena Spec's any damn where to use to make a 3D model. You may have better luck than I in finding it.

VonHelsching · 10-28-06, 08:20 AM

I have also searched extensively for a 391 antenna to see how it looks like. It was used very late in the war and there is limited information about it. I think that what we need here is a compromise between depicting historical accuracy and the game's features, regarding the Type XXI capabilities.

Right now we have nothing in our games. Apart from Rowi's fix. And since we have no info / pics about the 391, no one can tell it's wrong, whatever we put there. So, I'm not really interested how it looks like, as long as it has a basic Radar Warning Receiver functionality on top of the snorkel. Since Rowi achieved functionality of a radar, I think we're pretty close to a final solution / compromise.

JScones · 10-28-06, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonHelsching

I have also searched extensively for a 391 antenna to see how it looks like.

According to "U-boats, History, Development and Equipment", the FuMO-391 Lessing used the runddipol antenna atop the schnorchel. Piccy here...

http://www.uboataces.com/uboat-photo...05914216133225 (it's actually the accompanying picture from the same book).

Means nothing to me - but posted in case it helps VH...

Hartmann · 10-28-06, 09:14 AM

Nice !! a very important fix for the 21 submarine

i think that is very accurate..

another interesting photo

Kurt Lange · 11-15-08, 03:08 PM

Rowi, is your FuMO-391 fix still available ? I've been to the Filefront link in your first post, but its not working.

Thanks for any help.

A6Intruder · 11-16-08, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt Lange

Rowi, is your FuMO-391 fix still available ? I've been to the Filefront link in your first post, but its not working.

Thanks for any help.

Find it here:
http://hosted.filefront.com/UffzRohledder/
Kind regards

Kurt Lange · 11-16-08, 07:26 AM

Thank you, A6.

Lots of other good stuff there too, including Fubars XXI skin. I hope you don't mind if I make your Filefront link known to others at Wolves At War. With the WaW3 campaign now in September 1944, there will be a few more players taking command of the XXI, and having the same problems as myself. I can host them myself if you prefer that.

Thanks again, very much appreciated.

A6Intruder · 11-16-08, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt Lange

Thank you, A6.

Lots of other good stuff there too, including Fubars XXI skin. I hope you don't mind if I make your Filefront link known to others at Wolves At War. With the WaW3 campaign now in September 1944, there will be a few more players taking command of the XXI, and having the same problems as myself. I can host them myself if you prefer that.

Thanks again, very much appreciated.

You are welcome!
Kind regards

10-28-06, 12:01 AM	#1
rowi58 Eternal Patrol Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Karlsruhe Posts: 679 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	FuMO-391 - full functionality Hi everyone, you know that problem: After choosing FuMO-391 Radar for type XXI submarine you always got the messages "Radar Destroyed" and "Radar Antenna Destroyed". Looking at the radar-screen, it seems as if the FuMO 391 is active - but contacts were neither displayed nor announced by the RO. With this "BugFix" you will be able to use this radartype when you are on snorkel depth (max. 15 meters!). There will be no more messages like "Radar Destroyed". You can DL it at UBRS (it is uploaded some minutes ago) or use the following link: http://files.filefront.com/FUMO391_B.../fileinfo.html Read the "ReadMe.txt" for more details and for installation. The Basic.cfg file must be edit manualy (cause everyone has serveral changes in this file - fatique, renown, awards - i did not include a ready-to-install-Basic.cfg). Greetz rowi58

10-28-06, 04:19 AM	#4
VonHelsching Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 1,025 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hi Rowi, Thanks for your efforts. You are close to fixing one of the worst SHIII bugs for me, since Typ XXI is my favoured Uboat. And I say close, since Ubi research didn't get that detail right. In reality, on top of the snorkel, there wasn't a radar, but a radar warning receiver. I don't know which type, but a clone of the latest available would be fine as a compromise. Is it too much work to make this finally right? One caveat for your fix is that the FuMO-391 will be always on, thus attracting too many planes, in an already dangerous period. Don't get me wrong, though. Your fix is great. But if you could make that last step... Von __________________ Last edited by VonHelsching; 10-28-06 at 04:30 AM.

10-28-06, 08:20 AM	#6
VonHelsching Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 1,025 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I have also searched extensively for a 391 antenna to see how it looks like. It was used very late in the war and there is limited information about it. I think that what we need here is a compromise between depicting historical accuracy and the game's features, regarding the Type XXI capabilities. Right now we have nothing in our games. Apart from Rowi's fix. And since we have no info / pics about the 391, no one can tell it's wrong, whatever we put there. So, I'm not really interested how it looks like, as long as it has a basic Radar Warning Receiver functionality on top of the snorkel. Since Rowi achieved functionality of a radar, I think we're pretty close to a final solution / compromise. __________________

10-28-06, 09:14 AM	#8
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Nice !! a very important fix for the 21 submarine i think that is very accurate.. another interesting photo __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor Last edited by Hartmann; 10-28-06 at 09:29 AM.

10-28-06, 01:05 AM	#2
Cdre Gibs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Only 1 small problem. The radar unit does NOT go ontop of the Snorkel, the RWR does. The Anttena you have used is NOT a Radar Anttena, is the RWR Anttena. The actual Radar anttena for the TypeXXI is missing. The TypeXXI could NOT use its radar when submerged, only its RWR ontop of the snorkel.

11-15-08, 03:08 PM	#9
Kurt Lange Seaman Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cambridge UK, AN7559 Posts: 32 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Rowi, is your FuMO-391 fix still available ? I've been to the Filefront link in your first post, but its not working. Thanks for any help.

11-16-08, 07:26 AM	#11
Kurt Lange Seaman Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cambridge UK, AN7559 Posts: 32 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thank you, A6. Lots of other good stuff there too, including Fubars XXI skin. I hope you don't mind if I make your Filefront link known to others at Wolves At War. With the WaW3 campaign now in September 1944, there will be a few more players taking command of the XXI, and having the same problems as myself. I can host them myself if you prefer that. Thanks again, very much appreciated.