[REL] Natural Sinking Mechanics - Page 23

Laffertytig · 11-24-07, 08:52 PM

the US_Torpedoes.zon file from what file i might add old boy? i looked in the RSRD folder but that file aint there

DrBeast · 11-25-07, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laffertytig

the US_Torpedoes.zon file from what file i might add old boy? i looked in the RSRD folder but that file aint there

Sorry, my bad. From NSM. I think Hardcore Torpedoes Mod only affects US_Torpedoes.sim.
The reason the ships from RSRDC will be unaffected (and retain their stock game sinking behavior) is, their .zon file hasn't been altered the way NSM alters all other ships' .zon file.

Laffertytig · 11-25-07, 12:23 PM

so what if i installed nsm and the hardcore torpedo mod last then? would this do the trick? or should i just delete said file from nsm?

DrBeast · 11-25-07, 12:36 PM

No matter how you install them, the RSRDC ships will be unaffected. If you find the torpedoes overpowering, delete the US_Torpedoes.zon file from NSM before installing it.

letterboy1 · 11-26-07, 03:51 PM

MrBeast, those are excellent photos you posted. From time to time I considered going to the lite version of NSM, but seeing those examples certainly adds to the authenticity of the NSM mod. Thanks. I'll be sticking with the classic version.

BaronDeKalb · 11-26-07, 06:19 PM

Just wanted to say i installed this MOD for my first campaign, and i think its great...
i really like this mod, it makes more sense to base sinking off flooding
dmg of course than just hit points (what was the name of that huge German Battleship) the pounding that thing took was incredible before it sunk)

Also i have found that if anything ships sink faster now (although im running the lite version, :hehe

i also installed the correct ship size mod and that has really seemed to hel a lot with my hit ratio, i couldnt hit a barn before it...)

It still took a good hour to sink a 10ton merchant with 3 fish in her i just barley made it back up to see, note i think you also get credit for the kill if you click on the sinking ship icon on your map, anyways thats when it updated my log...

Thanks for such a great mod... What happens when a new patch is released in
general here, do all the mod creaters have to recheck each time for compability,
just wondering as i havnt been here very long...

One other quick question, Does NSM also change the way the player's ship takes dmg ? And does this have any affect on the Damage Control System ?

Baron...

LukeFF · 11-26-07, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaronDeKalb

One other quick question, Does NSM also change the way the player's ship takes dmg ? And does this have any affect on the Damage Control System ?

No. Read the first post for what the mod does.

black1 · 11-26-07, 08:45 PM

Can someone explain the difference between the light version and the classic version please thank you.

LukeFF · 11-26-07, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by black1

Can someone explain the difference between the light version and the classic version please thank you.

Again, your answer can be found in the first post of this thread.

Doolittle81 · 11-27-07, 03:11 PM

In the first post in this thread, it says:
...every file in this mod is critical. So installing mods over it and overriding conflicts will basicly break entire damage system. So make sure you install NSM last to be on sure side.

This runs contrary to all the other guidance i have seen with rgard to installation, which have said to install NSM first/early, then later do the ROW mods and RSRD Mod, etc etc

What is correct installation order?

letterboy1 · 11-27-07, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doolittle81

In the first post in this thread, it says:
...every file in this mod is critical. So installing mods over it and overriding conflicts will basicly break entire damage system. So make sure you install NSM last to be on sure side.

This runs contrary to all the other guidance i have seen with rgard to installation, which have said to install NSM first/early, then later do the ROW mods and RSRD Mod, etc etc

What is correct installation order?

When it comes to installing NSM and ROW, you will install NSM or NSM Lite first and then the corresponding ROW Special Effects version. Doing so will retain Werner Sobe's NSM file changes because Leovampire used those to incorporate into his ROW Special Effects. If you do it the other way around, you will still retain the NSM properties but you will lose whatever changes Leovampire made for his ROW Special Effects.

DrBeast · 11-28-07, 08:01 AM

Looking at the files changed in patch 1.4...zones.cfg is among them. Also, WernerSobe has been AWOL as of late. Damn.

Radioshow · 11-28-07, 09:28 AM

I have NSM and ROW on V1.4 and only noticed low sitting troop transports.
I did have a Takao HC go down with one torp although there were lots!! of secondary explosions (hit right in aft gun section). I put 2 torps into another Mogami and Takao and both stayed afloat with Mogami having a mild list. Destroyer's took 1 torp to sink usually(took a while though) although they show no damage when hit with "Influence"(switch works!!) torps. So NSM does seem ok so far although more testing is needed.

ryanwigginton · 11-29-07, 03:53 AM

Hope we can get WernerSobe back in to check on his mod.

If he's been away for some time it might be worth sending him a PM.

WernerSobe · 11-29-07, 09:44 PM

im sorry guys i havent been playing sh4 for a long time. I heard about the patch 5 minutes ago...

of course im going to port NSM into 1.4 but that will take a while. First i will need to check out what has changed and where. From the first look at the patch details i disadvise using NSM 3.3 with 1.4. It might work but remember its based on files from 1.3 so if NSM files are affected by the patch there might be problems.

atm im taking a closer look at the patch.

So far, if you have installed NSM 3.3 over 1.4 already and have expirienced bugs. Please report them here.

11-24-07, 08:52 PM	#331
Laffertytig Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 757 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	the US_Torpedoes.zon file from what file i might add old boy? i looked in the RSRD folder but that file aint there Last edited by Laffertytig; 11-25-07 at 06:56 AM.

11-25-07, 12:36 PM	#334
DrBeast The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Somewhere Out In Space Posts: 1,408 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	No matter how you install them, the RSRDC ships will be unaffected. If you find the torpedoes overpowering, delete the US_Torpedoes.zon file from NSM before installing it. __________________ Let the Beast inside you free!

11-26-07, 03:51 PM	#335
letterboy1 Captain Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Columbus, GA, USA Posts: 525 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	MrBeast, those are excellent photos you posted. From time to time I considered going to the lite version of NSM, but seeing those examples certainly adds to the authenticity of the NSM mod. Thanks. I'll be sticking with the classic version. __________________ Asus P8 Z68 Deluxe MoBo Intel Core i7 @ 4.4 GHz 16 GB RAM EVGA GTX Titan Black 1.5 T-byte HDD Antec 1 KW True Power Quattro PS

11-26-07, 06:19 PM	#336
BaronDeKalb Watch Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Buffalo USA Posts: 23 Downloads: 49 Uploads: 0	Just wanted to say i installed this MOD for my first campaign, and i think its great... i really like this mod, it makes more sense to base sinking off flooding dmg of course than just hit points (what was the name of that huge German Battleship) the pounding that thing took was incredible before it sunk) Also i have found that if anything ships sink faster now (although im running the lite version, :hehe i also installed the correct ship size mod and that has really seemed to hel a lot with my hit ratio, i couldnt hit a barn before it...) It still took a good hour to sink a 10ton merchant with 3 fish in her i just barley made it back up to see, note i think you also get credit for the kill if you click on the sinking ship icon on your map, anyways thats when it updated my log... Thanks for such a great mod... What happens when a new patch is released in general here, do all the mod creaters have to recheck each time for compability, just wondering as i havnt been here very long... One other quick question, Does NSM also change the way the player's ship takes dmg ? And does this have any affect on the Damage Control System ? Baron... __________________ Last edited by BaronDeKalb; 11-26-07 at 07:59 PM.

11-28-07, 08:01 AM	#342
DrBeast The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Somewhere Out In Space Posts: 1,408 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Looking at the files changed in patch 1.4...zones.cfg is among them. Also, WernerSobe has been AWOL as of late. Damn. __________________ Let the Beast inside you free!

11-25-07, 12:23 PM	#333
Laffertytig Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 757 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	so what if i installed nsm and the hardcore torpedo mod last then? would this do the trick? or should i just delete said file from nsm?

11-26-07, 08:45 PM	#338
black1 Ensign Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 225 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Can someone explain the difference between the light version and the classic version please thank you.

11-27-07, 03:11 PM	#340
Doolittle81 Commodore Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 624 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	In the first post in this thread, it says: ...every file in this mod is critical. So installing mods over it and overriding conflicts will basicly break entire damage system. So make sure you install NSM last to be on sure side. This runs contrary to all the other guidance i have seen with rgard to installation, which have said to install NSM first/early, then later do the ROW mods and RSRD Mod, etc etc What is correct installation order?

11-28-07, 09:28 AM	#343
Radioshow Bosun Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 64 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	NSM and V1.4 I have NSM and ROW on V1.4 and only noticed low sitting troop transports. I did have a Takao HC go down with one torp although there were lots!! of secondary explosions (hit right in aft gun section). I put 2 torps into another Mogami and Takao and both stayed afloat with Mogami having a mild list. Destroyer's took 1 torp to sink usually(took a while though) although they show no damage when hit with "Influence"(switch works!!) torps. So NSM does seem ok so far although more testing is needed.

11-29-07, 03:53 AM	#344
ryanwigginton Weps Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 368 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	Hope we can get WernerSobe back in to check on his mod. If he's been away for some time it might be worth sending him a PM.

11-29-07, 09:44 PM	#345
WernerSobe Commodore Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 625 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	im sorry guys i havent been playing sh4 for a long time. I heard about the patch 5 minutes ago... of course im going to port NSM into 1.4 but that will take a while. First i will need to check out what has changed and where. From the first look at the patch details i disadvise using NSM 3.3 with 1.4. It might work but remember its based on files from 1.3 so if NSM files are affected by the patch there might be problems. atm im taking a closer look at the patch. So far, if you have installed NSM 3.3 over 1.4 already and have expirienced bugs. Please report them here.