Iraqi WMDs revisited

[scandium]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Guess what?

Bump.

Video interview of former Iraqi Fedayeen Major General Ali Ibrahim Al-Tikriti.

An interview is not a WMD. Unless it happens to be an interview of Bush giving an unscripted press conference.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by scandium

An interview is not a WMD.

There was no claim as such, nor was that my claim when I started this thread.

The question is whether Al Generalisimo is telling the truth or not. This is the 2nd high ranking Iraqi officer that has gone public with the claims that the Russians wisked everything out of the country prior to the US invasion.

If it's false, then it would definitely seem that there are no WMDs anywhere.

If it's true, that would explain why they can't be found.

For all I know, these 2 guys are paid CIA stooges, puting on a nice show to excuse US blunders. Fact of the matter is, however, they are being shunned for the most part. No one is listening.

In addition to these Iraqi's stories, there's also the translated documents that have been publicized, several of which are linked to in this thread. Those aren't imaginary and their meaning is pretty clear.

[scandium]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

For all I know, these 2 guys are paid CIA stooges, puting on a nice show to excuse US blunders. Fact of the matter is, however, they are being shunned for the most part. No one is listening

That could be because the issue to most of us, with thousands of civilian lives on the line who's only crime would be having been born in Iraq, not whether or not Iraq possessed WMD at some point in time (we know there were some there at some point), or whether they possessed unmanned model airplanes or a couple mustard gas shells, the issue was did Iraq actually pose a threat to the US or its allies? That was the bill of goods that Bush, Blair, Cheney, Rice, and Powell were pushing daily for 6 months: the talk of "mushroom clouds", of "thousands of litres of sarin gas", etc, etc. That was the issue that people who supported the war rallied around (the other reasons came later). Its been 3 years now and no credible evidence of these kinds of weapons (let alone the weapons themselves) has surfaced.

People have woken up to the reality that Iraq has been turned into hell on earth for the people who have to be there (both US troops as well as the Iraqis themselves), that there is no end in sight, and that the bill of goods they were sold was a false one. I don't think anyone cares anymore what a couple of Iraqi stooges have to say (look at what believing Ahmed Chalabi led to). As GW Bush once said: "Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. But fool me twice... can't get fooled again!"

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by scandium

That could be because the issue to most of us, with thousands of civilian lives on the line who's only crime would be having been born in Iraq, not whether or not Iraq possessed WMD at some point in time (we know there were some there at some point), or whether they possessed unmanned model airplanes or a couple mustard gas shells, the issue was did Iraq actually pose a threat to the US or its allies? That was the bill of goods that Bush, Blair, Cheney, Rice, and Powell were pushing daily for 6 months: the talk of "mushroom clouds", of "thousands of litres of sarin gas", etc, etc. That was the issue that people who supported the war rallied around (the other reasons came later). Its been 3 years now and no credible evidence of these kinds of weapons (let alone the weapons themselves) has surfaced.

People have woken up to the reality that Iraq has been turned into hell on earth for the people who have to be there (both US troops as well as the Iraqis themselves), that there is no end in sight, and that the bill of goods they were sold was a false one. I don't think anyone cares anymore what a couple of Iraqi stooges have to say (look at what believing Ahmed Chalabi led to). As GW Bush once said: "Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. But fool me twice... can't get fooled again!"

Well said sir.

[The Avon Lady]

Hi. Me again!

CHEMICAL MUNITIONS IN IRAQ.

No, this is not an "aha!" moment. Just mentioning it as relevant to the thread. Make sure to read all the way through, especially through the quote from this Powerline blog entry.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Fantastic. Iraq MAY HAVE had chemical weapons, IF THE SHELF LIFE WAS NOT UP, at the time of the invasion. AFTER WE BOMBED THAT COUNTRY INTO IMPOTENCE FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. Something we'll never know. And frankly, after years of exhaustive searching something that probably wasn't true at the time of the invasion.

Oh, by the way. North Korea is about to test an ICBM that they are probably capable of marrying to their nuclear weapons that they almost certainly have after more than a decade of telling us to shove it. They have even been courteous enough to be up front about being completely dishonest.

Sorry, just that kind of night for me...

PD

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

North Korea is about to test an ICBM that they are probably capable of marrying to their nuclear weapons that they almost certainly have after more than a decade of telling us to shove it. They have even been courteous enough to be up front about being completely dishonest.

Don't blame NK. The west has been dishonest with itself in believing that this would not happen.

[aaken]

Oh, by the way. North Korea is about to test an ICBM that they are probably capable of marrying to their nuclear weapons that they almost certainly have after more than a decade of telling us to shove it. They have even been courteous enough to be up front about being completely dishonest.

It's also quite possible that NK, unlike Irak, was never subject to a prehemptive invasion just because of that.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

Oh, by the way. North Korea is about to test an ICBM that they are probably capable of marrying to their nuclear weapons that they almost certainly have after more than a decade of telling us to shove it. They have even been courteous enough to be up front about being completely dishonest.

“Thank you, thank you very much” :p

[The Avon Lady]

Separated at birth?

[STEED]

Originally Posted by STEED

“Thank you, thank you very much” :p

Kim Jong Seok is to busy doing Elvis impersonations.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

Fantastic. Iraq MAY HAVE had chemical weapons, IF THE SHELF LIFE WAS NOT UP, at the time of the invasion. AFTER WE BOMBED THAT COUNTRY INTO IMPOTENCE FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. Something we'll never know. And frankly, after years of exhaustive searching something that probably wasn't true at the time of the invasion.

Follow through the video clip in this blog item and listen to the remarks of former UN weapons inspector Tim Trevan towards the end of the clip.

[PeriscopeDepth]

That actually makes sense to me AL. Interesting vid. Don't know if it's true or not, but interesting vid.

Concerning NK, I don't think the West actually believed they would stop trying to obtain nukes. They just had to be overly optimistic because military action couldn't be used with impunity as it had been against Iraq.

PD

[DeepSix]

I want nukes!
I need nukes!
I-I-I luv nukes!
With aaaalll myyy heaaart....

[STEED]

Originally Posted by DeepSix

I want nukes!
I need nukes!
I-I-I luv nukes!
With aaaalll myyy heaaart....

Brilliant:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: