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Jimbuna · 05-30-08, 02:19 PM

Looking forward to it

Ducimus · 05-30-08, 03:39 PM

As part of next update, my "evil airplanes" are going to become a little more evil. Yes, i know what someone out there is thinking, "how is that even possible?"

Historically, japanese pilots carried two bombs. One set to go off at 20 meters, another at 45 meters (or there abouts, i dont have my notes with me). Currently (cause i dont think ive pushed this change out the door yet), planes have EITHER, a loadout set to explode at 20 meters, OR another set to explode at 45 meters - never both at once.

That is changing. They will now have both, which is, as far as i know historically correct. In addition, an airdropped depth charge will look like a depth charge and not a bomb. What is A-historical, is ill have planes equiped with a few more bombs then they did in real life in order to keep the threat level high keeping the overall game mechanics in mind. Makes no sense to me, to have a bird harmlessly drop two eggs and fly off. Quite laughable given how their aim tends to be off most (but not all) of the time.

I've posted these screenshots elsewhere, but its part of this update.

SD radar is pretty sweet, and gives you a fair amount of advanced warning, but ill bet when you get a contact, you pull the damn plug and head for the cellar. Frankly im not sure which is more dangerous, Japanese aircraft, or Bungo Pete.

JoeCorrado · 05-31-08, 10:43 AM

Like I said earlier Ducimus, I have been reading Clear the Bridge!: The War Patrols of the U.S.S. Tang (Hardcover) by Richard O'Kane. I have been struck by how little the Japanese planes were considered a threat once they (the planes) had been detected in a timely manner and the boat submerged to a depth of 200 feet.

Apparently, if the lookouts or radar detected planes at a distance great enought to dive they were basically considered a non-factor. As such, early detection was given much attention by the watch and every plane was considered a serious threat while on the surface- even freindlies.

As an aside, the TANG'S maximum depth was recorded in excess of 612 feet. The gauge pinned at 612 and that was what O'Kane used as his limit only because that is where the gauge readings ended although that depth was exceeded (how much is not known) to a point enough to make the crew sweat on at least one occassion.

My way of asking if the crush depth values are being modified as well and if the 200 feet rule as a safe depth against planes will aplly in the mod as well?

Ducimus · 05-31-08, 12:03 PM

Your safe from being bombed by planes at 200 feet. I acutally stop at 165 feet, but thats cutting it a little close.

antares81 · 06-02-08, 04:12 PM

Since the newest patch, I have stopped getting AI "Ship Spotted" messages from the night periscope.
In fact, the visual cues on the navigation screen don't show up with the night periscope.
I have yet to nail this down to TMO, still need to do a little more testing.

Install order
TMO
RSRD
PE3
PE3 TMO Patch

etheberge · 06-02-08, 08:48 PM

...you may be missing out on some cool radio traffic.

I was fooling around in my messages.txt trying to add more radio traffic (news, distress calls, etc) when I realized that TMO already included all that I was trying to accomplish.

Cool radio messages like:
SIEGE OF IMPHAL LIFTED X JAPANESE FORCES WITHDRAW FURTHER EAST X
BRITISH RETAKE KOHIMA IN BURMA X
GREETED AS LIBERATORS AMERICAN FORCES PARADE THROUGH CHERBOURG AS NAZIS RUN X
MINSK LIBERATED BY SOVIET TROOPS X
ALLIED TROOPS LIBERATED CAEN TODAY X FILM FESTIVAL STARTS TOMORROW X
ENTIRE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT HAS RESIGNED TODAY X EMPORER HIROHITO LEFT HOLDING THE BAG X
AMERICAN MARINES RETAKE GUAM X
@BERGALL@1 SHIP SUNK FOR 12500 TONS X ALLOTED PATROL TIME EXPIRED x RETURNING TO BASE X
@MINGO@1 SHIP SUNK FOR 10000 TONS X ALLOTED PATROL TIME EXPIRED x RETURNING TO BASE X
@TAUTOG@3 SHIPS SUNK FOR 8500 TONS X ALLOTED PATROL TIME EXPIRED x RETURNING TO BASE X
SWORDFISH OVERDUE PRESUMED LOST X
BONEFISH OVERDUE PRESUMED LOST X

I've used TMO on and off for a long time but I had never seen those radio messages in game. Turns out I also always used RSRD and that by installing it (after TMO, as per instructions), I was always overwriting the messages.txt file from TMO with the one from RSRD which doesn't include that traffic.

So guys, if you use TMO and RSRD and you've never had radio messages like the ones above, you're probably in the same situation I was in.

I'm at work right now so I can't test it but if you manually merge the two messages.txt files (the one from TMO and the one from RSRD) then you should get the best of both worlds.

Anyway it's just a heads up, I was thinking of doing a mod with this sort of radio traffic but it seems Ducimus saved me a lot of work. Guess I'll have to find something else to do with my time.

Perhaps it should be added to the TMO FAQ, I haven't seen it documented. Maybe it's just me too

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ekempey · 06-02-08, 10:08 PM

Ducimus,

I was wondering if you have ever looked at the rigging of the sound heads. There is an element for the sound heads on the compartment screen, and I was wondering if there was some way it was possible to be able to rig in/out the sound heads. I am now reading "Clear the Bridge" for the second time, and it seems it was common practice to rig in the heads in shallow water (see Tang's 2nd war patrol, Truk).

Regards,

A Happy TMO User.

P.s. I love this mod!

cgjimeneza · 06-06-08, 07:01 AM

new update... more details... have to finish my assigned patrol, write up the report and be ready to download and install.

life is good

Egon01 · 06-06-08, 02:27 PM

Hi

Please forgive me if there is answer for my question somewhere here but I couldn't find it in tons of those posts, replies etc. I did "search" on forum but this stupid search thing shows me useless posts where I culdn't find answer. My question is: what is "Convertion Chart" in TMO ?

Thank you

Ducimus · 06-06-08, 04:02 PM

Although i haven't edited the orginal post yet, version 1.5.2 has been up for a few days now. Details here:
http://www.subsowespac.org/forum/ind...pic,404.0.html

I'll update the orginial post later when im at home and not at work.

Defiance · 06-06-08, 04:56 PM

Hiya's,
Dang subsim was down for me earlier (all of us i guess, and yes i went in panic-mode again lol)

Ahh what can i say Ducimus

DL'ing now

Got me a new 24" monitor and can't wait to install and start afresh with a nice revision of TMO

Sir

Have Fun

Ciao

Def

LtCmdrRat · 06-06-08, 06:15 PM

Playing TMO 152, for 2 days, so far so nice

. I just found link from Ducimus filefront page and UBI sh4 forum. Thanks Ducimus, You rule!

capt_frank · 06-07-08, 09:37 AM

Here's a quickie link to it:

http://files.filefront.com/TriggerMa.../fileinfo.html

geosub1978 · 06-07-08, 12:14 PM

Hi!

I just installed 152 and looks great.
The problem is that when I got my S-18 from the Asiatic Fleet on the 8th Dec 41 and I started up my engines, I got a "Cannot comply" message for any ordered propulsion, on surface or underwater, for no reason.

I checked it and this doesn't happen with other submarine classes

ekempey · 06-07-08, 02:22 PM

Ducimus put a patch for the S-Boat engine problem up on his filefront page.

05-30-08, 02:19 PM	#466
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,539 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Looking forward to it __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-31-08, 10:43 AM	#468
JoeCorrado Weps Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 366 Downloads: 176 Uploads: 5	Like I said earlier Ducimus, I have been reading Clear the Bridge!: The War Patrols of the U.S.S. Tang (Hardcover) by Richard O'Kane. I have been struck by how little the Japanese planes were considered a threat once they (the planes) had been detected in a timely manner and the boat submerged to a depth of 200 feet. Apparently, if the lookouts or radar detected planes at a distance great enought to dive they were basically considered a non-factor. As such, early detection was given much attention by the watch and every plane was considered a serious threat while on the surface- even freindlies. As an aside, the TANG'S maximum depth was recorded in excess of 612 feet. The gauge pinned at 612 and that was what O'Kane used as his limit only because that is where the gauge readings ended although that depth was exceeded (how much is not known) to a point enough to make the crew sweat on at least one occassion. My way of asking if the crush depth values are being modified as well and if the 200 feet rule as a safe depth against planes will aplly in the mod as well? __________________ ============= My Game starts with GFO - Keepin' it real as it needs to be!

06-02-08, 08:48 PM	#471
etheberge Watch Officer Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 345 Downloads: 614 Uploads: 10	If you use TMO+RSRD... ...you may be missing out on some cool radio traffic. I was fooling around in my messages.txt trying to add more radio traffic (news, distress calls, etc) when I realized that TMO already included all that I was trying to accomplish. Cool radio messages like: SIEGE OF IMPHAL LIFTED X JAPANESE FORCES WITHDRAW FURTHER EAST X BRITISH RETAKE KOHIMA IN BURMA X GREETED AS LIBERATORS AMERICAN FORCES PARADE THROUGH CHERBOURG AS NAZIS RUN X MINSK LIBERATED BY SOVIET TROOPS X ALLIED TROOPS LIBERATED CAEN TODAY X FILM FESTIVAL STARTS TOMORROW X ENTIRE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT HAS RESIGNED TODAY X EMPORER HIROHITO LEFT HOLDING THE BAG X AMERICAN MARINES RETAKE GUAM X @BERGALL@1 SHIP SUNK FOR 12500 TONS X ALLOTED PATROL TIME EXPIRED x RETURNING TO BASE X @MINGO@1 SHIP SUNK FOR 10000 TONS X ALLOTED PATROL TIME EXPIRED x RETURNING TO BASE X @TAUTOG@3 SHIPS SUNK FOR 8500 TONS X ALLOTED PATROL TIME EXPIRED x RETURNING TO BASE X SWORDFISH OVERDUE PRESUMED LOST X BONEFISH OVERDUE PRESUMED LOST X I've used TMO on and off for a long time but I had never seen those radio messages in game. Turns out I also always used RSRD and that by installing it (after TMO, as per instructions), I was always overwriting the messages.txt file from TMO with the one from RSRD which doesn't include that traffic. So guys, if you use TMO and RSRD and you've never had radio messages like the ones above, you're probably in the same situation I was in. I'm at work right now so I can't test it but if you manually merge the two messages.txt files (the one from TMO and the one from RSRD) then you should get the best of both worlds. Anyway it's just a heads up, I was thinking of doing a mod with this sort of radio traffic but it seems Ducimus saved me a lot of work. Guess I'll have to find something else to do with my time. Perhaps it should be added to the TMO FAQ, I haven't seen it documented. Maybe it's just me too. __________________ 11 War Patrols / 56 ships sunk or damaged for 212,022 tons Zero casualties throughout the war Scuttled on 8 May, 1945 in Sonderburg Bay, after German surrender

06-06-08, 07:01 AM	#473
cgjimeneza Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 527 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	new update new update... more details... have to finish my assigned patrol, write up the report and be ready to download and install. life is good __________________ Pacific Thunder Campaing VIII-Retired www.subsowespac.org "Left on their own, engineers can be dangerous"

06-06-08, 04:02 PM	#475
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	new version Although i haven't edited the orginal post yet, version 1.5.2 has been up for a few days now. Details here: http://www.subsowespac.org/forum/ind...pic,404.0.html I'll update the orginial post later when im at home and not at work.

05-30-08, 03:39 PM	#467
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	As part of next update, my "evil airplanes" are going to become a little more evil. Yes, i know what someone out there is thinking, "how is that even possible?" Historically, japanese pilots carried two bombs. One set to go off at 20 meters, another at 45 meters (or there abouts, i dont have my notes with me). Currently (cause i dont think ive pushed this change out the door yet), planes have EITHER, a loadout set to explode at 20 meters, OR another set to explode at 45 meters - never both at once. That is changing. They will now have both, which is, as far as i know historically correct. In addition, an airdropped depth charge will look like a depth charge and not a bomb. What is A-historical, is ill have planes equiped with a few more bombs then they did in real life in order to keep the threat level high keeping the overall game mechanics in mind. Makes no sense to me, to have a bird harmlessly drop two eggs and fly off. Quite laughable given how their aim tends to be off most (but not all) of the time. I've posted these screenshots elsewhere, but its part of this update. SD radar is pretty sweet, and gives you a fair amount of advanced warning, but ill bet when you get a contact, you pull the damn plug and head for the cellar. Frankly im not sure which is more dangerous, Japanese aircraft, or Bungo Pete.

05-31-08, 12:03 PM	#469
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Your safe from being bombed by planes at 200 feet. I acutally stop at 165 feet, but thats cutting it a little close.

06-02-08, 04:12 PM	#470
antares81 Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 13 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Since the newest patch, I have stopped getting AI "Ship Spotted" messages from the night periscope. In fact, the visual cues on the navigation screen don't show up with the night periscope. I have yet to nail this down to TMO, still need to do a little more testing. Install order TMO RSRD PE3 PE3 TMO Patch

06-02-08, 10:08 PM	#472
ekempey Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 95 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Ducimus, I was wondering if you have ever looked at the rigging of the sound heads. There is an element for the sound heads on the compartment screen, and I was wondering if there was some way it was possible to be able to rig in/out the sound heads. I am now reading "Clear the Bridge" for the second time, and it seems it was common practice to rig in the heads in shallow water (see Tang's 2nd war patrol, Truk). Regards, A Happy TMO User. P.s. I love this mod!

06-06-08, 02:27 PM	#474
Egon01 Helmsman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 101 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Hi Please forgive me if there is answer for my question somewhere here but I couldn't find it in tons of those posts, replies etc. I did "search" on forum but this stupid search thing shows me useless posts where I culdn't find answer. My question is: what is "Convertion Chart" in TMO ? Thank you

06-06-08, 04:56 PM	#476
Defiance Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK Posts: 908 Downloads: 673 Uploads: 0	Hiya's, Dang subsim was down for me earlier (all of us i guess, and yes i went in panic-mode again lol) Ahh what can i say Ducimus DL'ing now Got me a new 24" monitor and can't wait to install and start afresh with a nice revision of TMO Sir Have Fun Ciao Def

06-06-08, 06:15 PM	#477
LtCmdrRat Gunner Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My mind is My Fortress Posts: 100 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	Playing TMO 152, for 2 days, so far so nice . I just found link from Ducimus filefront page and UBI sh4 forum. Thanks Ducimus, You rule! __________________ A joke is a very serious thing... sir winston churchill.

06-07-08, 09:37 AM	#478
capt_frank Watch Officer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In the North Carolina Sticks Posts: 335 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Here's a quickie link to it: http://files.filefront.com/TriggerMa.../fileinfo.html

06-07-08, 12:14 PM	#479
geosub1978 Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salamis Base Posts: 567 Downloads: 229 Uploads: 0	ENGINES Hi! I just installed 152 and looks great. The problem is that when I got my S-18 from the Asiatic Fleet on the 8th Dec 41 and I started up my engines, I got a "Cannot comply" message for any ordered propulsion, on surface or underwater, for no reason. I checked it and this doesn't happen with other submarine classes __________________ Last edited by geosub1978; 06-07-08 at 12:25 PM.

06-07-08, 02:22 PM	#480
ekempey Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 95 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Ducimus put a patch for the S-Boat engine problem up on his filefront page.