GWX's "uber" AI demystified

[Myxale]

Thanx Ducimus!

It was just like in Navy School!

[joea]

Originally Posted by Kumando

Useful for cheating.

Going in the baffles in cheating right. Anyway I "think" listening for a sonar return is not the same as using the hydrophone to listen for the noises of the sub plus (this is from my DC days ) I think they used a scope to check the return and were not actually counting seconds for the ping. Will look into it at home.

[Gavilan]

Originally Posted by Kumando

Useful for cheating.

Cheating to you maybe, but each to their own... I personally can't see how this guide is a cheat or exploit.

Anyway since it's mainly a single player game surely if you do cheat the only person being cheated is yourself? :hmm:

[ref]

Originally Posted by Kumando

That means a DD is pinging me and i can run on flank and he wont be able to listen to me?

No, what he means is that it if it's pinging you it doesn't matter if you're going flank, as he's emmiting an active signal he can detect you no matter what speed you're doing, the asdic (active sonar) emmits a high frecuency sound that transmits through the water, when it reaches your sub it reflects in you hull and returns, the asdic operator is listening and measuring the time elapsed between the emited sound and the echo he can get a fix on the distance and bearing of your sub, the asdic is not affected as much as the hydrophone by the hunter speed, that's why they can make a run for you at high speed, while his companions keep a low speed listening to the hydrophones.

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[Gavilan]

Thanks for clearing that up ref, glad using this guide is not considered cheating.

[mookiemookie]

Cheating?

Excellent post, very well written! Thank you for this.

[Jazer]

Danke, Herr Kaleun!

[ref]

Just take into account that because you hear the pings it doesn't mean they have detected you with the asdic, just that they suspect that you're in the vicinity , either because they hear you in the hydrophones or they'd spoted your periscope and then they switch to their most acurate sensor to get a hard fix on you, the only real indicator that they've precisely located the sub is when they accelerate to make a DC run, if you go ahead flank and they're just trying to figure out where the hell are you then you're just telling them "hey I'm here"...

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[Kumando]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Cheating?

Excellent post, very well written! Thank you for this.

I will try next time im in a "cat and mouse" with a DD but if Ducimus means it right he is pinging than not listening you go flank and he will not hear you thats not real so it can be considered a cheat right?

[Lanzfeld]

Does SH-3 Commander also randomize the amount of time the escorts spend looking for me in GWX everytime I start the game like random thermal layers? Up to 45 minutes?

[hyperion2206]

Originally Posted by Kumando

I will try next time im in a "cat and mouse" with a DD but if Ducimus means it right he is pinging than not listening you go flank and he will not hear you thats not real so it can be considered a cheat right?

Again: If a destroyer starts pinging it knows you're around. The chances are high that he picked you up via hydrophones and got an estimated course. The the destroyer uses ASDIC and probably find you. To me that's no cheating.

[AVGWarhawk]

DUCIMUS......"common complaint with GWX is that the AI is too hard or Uber. I really feel this is borne out of a lack of understanding how the AI works. I'm not going to bombard you with a lot of detailed information, just a basic gist of how it functions, so we don't have too many people becoming members of the "2nd patrol club". "


Hey, that hurt!!!! I'm recruiting for my club and you come up with this????? Thats it, you are not getting an honorary membership and I do not care how much you have donated to the cause...... Good day, Sir!!!!......your off my Christmas list as of today.


The AI are not to hard. It is just that everyone refuses to be challenged!

[ref]

Originally Posted by Kumando

I will try next time im in a "cat and mouse" with a DD but if Ducimus means it right he is pinging than not listening you go flank and he will not hear you thats not real so it can be considered a cheat right?

Please read my previous post, if he's pinging you he's not listening with the hydrophones, he's locating you with the asdic, if you go flank he'll still be tracking you, and it's not cheating, that's what happen in real life, the advantage you have is that when he's making a DC run you can go flank for a few moments after he passes your position without giving up your position, but that only works if there's only one ship chasing you, if there are more one of them is always at low speed tracking you with the hydrophones.

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[scalelokt]

I have one question. In the original post you said that if you are sitting still waiting for a convoy and get pinged you probably stayed in one place for X number of minutes inside the sonar cone of a DD right? I guess I'm just curious, if you are submerged and dead quiet, how are they knowing to ping you in the first place? Do they just ping ever other minute to see if something is there all the time? Guess thats one thing I never understood, if I'm at a dead stop and submerged and get pinged out of nowhere, how did they even know to ping, they didnt know I was there to begin with. Hope that makes sense.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by scalelokt

I have one question. In the original post you said that if you are sitting still waiting for a convoy and get pinged you probably stayed in one place for X number of minutes inside the sonar cone of a DD right? I guess I'm just curious, if you are submerged and dead quiet, how are they knowing to ping you in the first place? Do they just ping ever other minute to see if something is there all the time? Guess thats one thing I never understood, if I'm at a dead stop and submerged and get pinged out of nowhere, how did they even know to ping, they didnt know I was there to begin with. Hope that makes sense.

They always made sweeps with sonar. I do not believe the pinged all the time but if sonar makes a contact the a ping would be in order to help get a better location on the uboat.