Schnorchel and air attacks

Pascal · 10-20-06, 05:46 AM

Even using the schnorchel, air attacks are continual, and i wonder if that is very historic (i use mod airpower 1.4)
Read the rapport, page 335:

http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB30348.htm

PS: this rapport must be a bible and a reference for all serious "modders"

Captain Nemo · 10-20-06, 07:16 AM

The British made significant advances with radar during WWII. I am currently reading the Clay Blair books "Hitlers U-Boat War" and it mentions that during the early stages of the war the British developed radar that could detect a submerged u-boat using it's periscope at a maximum range of approximately 7 miles. Presumably this would equally apply to u-boats deploying their schnorchel. So in theory planes using this improved radar could detect and attack submerged u-boats with some degree of regularity.

Nemo

Pascal · 10-20-06, 08:55 AM

Yes, thank you, perhaps also the "turnover" of these air attacks is too close (in the mod i use: airpower)

fire-fox · 10-20-06, 09:33 AM

hi, are you useing any mods (GW/NYGM). also if you go slitly deeper ~14 - 15m that the standed snorakel deapth, in good weather there is less metal for the radar to hit above the water. eg go as deep as you can (a metar at a time) till you get to a depth that you deasil's cut out (verys with the wether) and then go for a deapth of about one or two metor's shallower.

Syxx_Killer · 10-20-06, 09:44 AM

About a year or so ago I tested each U-boat to see how deep I could go and still be able to breath. I used the Scapa Flow mission as a test bed. That mission had 4m/s winds. Here are my results:

Type VIIB/C – 12m
Type IXB/C – 14m
Type IXD2 – 15m
Type XXI – 16.5

You can also edit each cfg file for the respective U-boat mentioned and make it so that you can go to that depth when you press the snorkel depth button.

CptGrayWolf · 10-20-06, 04:09 PM

There is a mod called 'Sensors' that fixes the schnorkel.
The author of the mod says that the schnorkel was being spotted at unrealistic distances, so he fixed it.
This mod also fixes DD 'super' sonar lock, depth charge blast radius and the u-boat radar detector.

Pascal · 10-20-06, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CptGrayWolf

There is a mod called 'Sensors' that fixes the schnorkel.
The author of the mod says that the schnorkel was being spotted at unrealistic distances, so he fixed it.
This mod also fixes DD 'super' sonar lock, depth charge blast radius and the u-boat radar detector.

Many thanks:
SensorPak.zip

10-20-06, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CptGrayWolf

There is a mod called 'Sensors' that fixes the schnorkel.
The author of the mod says that the schnorkel was being spotted at unrealistic distances, so he fixed it.
This mod also fixes DD 'super' sonar lock, depth charge blast radius and the u-boat radar detector.

What effect does this have with GW1.1a and NYGM?

CptGrayWolf · 10-21-06, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albrecht Von Hesse

What effect does this have with GW1.1a and NYGM?

I'm not sure how it affects the 'Super Mods', one of the creators would have to answer that one.
But these are very specific files, so I'm guessing it's safe.

Hartmann · 10-21-06, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CptGrayWolf

There is a mod called 'Sensors' that fixes the schnorkel.
The author of the mod says that the schnorkel was being spotted at unrealistic distances, so he fixed it.
This mod also fixes DD 'super' sonar lock, depth charge blast radius and the u-boat radar detector.

I think that the snorkel size was too big, so it was like a magnet for planes

this SensorPak.zip mod fix this bug of the game

could be interesting know if the big mods, GW and NYGM has this fix included.

in the late war, a boat without snorkel is a sitting duck for antisubmarine units

Heffalump · 10-21-06, 03:38 PM

I run with the snorkel up only at night and have never been spotted by planes. Keep under during the day.

This, so I've read, was also the wartime tactic.

Hartmann · 10-21-06, 04:31 PM

is logical because could be a lot difficult spot a dark tube ot of the water in the dark night.

Pascal · 10-21-06, 06:00 PM

2 questions:

As you see and as you know, the snorkel wave's is not in the correct position; is there a fix for that ?

Then, how get off the orange mark ?

Thank you

Pascal · 10-21-06, 06:09 PM

[quote=Pascal]2 questions:

As you see and as you know, the snorkel wave's is not in the correct position; is there a fix for that ?

Then, how get off the orange mark ?

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VonHelsching · 10-22-06, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albrecht Von Hesse

Quote:

Originally Posted by CptGrayWolf

There is a mod called 'Sensors' that fixes the schnorkel.
The author of the mod says that the schnorkel was being spotted at unrealistic distances, so he fixed it.
This mod also fixes DD 'super' sonar lock, depth charge blast radius and the u-boat radar detector.

What effect does this have with GW1.1a and NYGM?

GW 1.1a has already implemented and tweaked all sensors updates. Installing the old sensor pack, might actually ruin some features.

10-20-06, 05:46 AM	#1
Pascal Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Paris Posts: 588 Downloads: 574 Uploads: 0	Schnorchel and air attacks Even using the schnorchel, air attacks are continual, and i wonder if that is very historic (i use mod airpower 1.4) Read the rapport, page 335: http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB30348.htm PS: this rapport must be a bible and a reference for all serious "modders"

10-20-06, 09:33 AM	#4
fire-fox Chief Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Peoples Republic of West Yorkshire Posts: 326 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	hi, are you useing any mods (GW/NYGM). also if you go slitly deeper ~14 - 15m that the standed snorakel deapth, in good weather there is less metal for the radar to hit above the water. eg go as deep as you can (a metar at a time) till you get to a depth that you deasil's cut out (verys with the wether) and then go for a deapth of about one or two metor's shallower. __________________ Running subs aground since SH1 and Silent Service Running SH5 @ 100% difficulty + TWoS 2.2.19(RealNav + BDU + port smoke + food) + Carotio_IntercontinentalRadioPack tweaked + The Little Ships of SH5 - Coaster Pack

10-20-06, 04:09 PM	#6
CptGrayWolf Commander Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saint Lawrence Seaway Posts: 459 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	There is a mod called 'Sensors' that fixes the schnorkel. The author of the mod says that the schnorkel was being spotted at unrealistic distances, so he fixed it. This mod also fixes DD 'super' sonar lock, depth charge blast radius and the u-boat radar detector. __________________ Thomas Voltz, U-93 VIIc, Aug 1940, at sea patrol 1 GWX3 Gold, 100%

10-21-06, 04:31 PM	#12
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	is logical because could be a lot difficult spot a dark tube ot of the water in the dark night. __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

10-21-06, 06:00 PM	#13
Pascal Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Paris Posts: 588 Downloads: 574 Uploads: 0	Snorkel wave's 2 questions: As you see and as you know, the snorkel wave's is not in the correct position; is there a fix for that ? Then, how get off the orange mark ? Thank you

10-20-06, 07:16 AM	#2
Captain Nemo Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 1,144 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	The British made significant advances with radar during WWII. I am currently reading the Clay Blair books "Hitlers U-Boat War" and it mentions that during the early stages of the war the British developed radar that could detect a submerged u-boat using it's periscope at a maximum range of approximately 7 miles. Presumably this would equally apply to u-boats deploying their schnorchel. So in theory planes using this improved radar could detect and attack submerged u-boats with some degree of regularity. Nemo

10-20-06, 08:55 AM	#3
Pascal Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Paris Posts: 588 Downloads: 574 Uploads: 0	Yes, thank you, perhaps also the "turnover" of these air attacks is too close (in the mod i use: airpower)

10-20-06, 09:44 AM	#5
Syxx_Killer Admiral Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 2,387 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	About a year or so ago I tested each U-boat to see how deep I could go and still be able to breath. I used the Scapa Flow mission as a test bed. That mission had 4m/s winds. Here are my results: Type VIIB/C – 12m Type IXB/C – 14m Type IXD2 – 15m Type XXI – 16.5 You can also edit each cfg file for the respective U-boat mentioned and make it so that you can go to that depth when you press the snorkel depth button.

10-21-06, 03:38 PM	#11
Heffalump A-ganger Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 77 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I run with the snorkel up only at night and have never been spotted by planes. Keep under during the day. This, so I've read, was also the wartime tactic.

10-21-06, 06:09 PM	#14
Pascal Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Paris Posts: 588 Downloads: 574 Uploads: 0	[quote=Pascal]2 questions: As you see and as you know, the snorkel wave's is not in the correct position; is there a fix for that ? Then, how get off the orange mark ? Thank you[/quote]