New CPU Blues

Grayson · 10-12-06, 09:10 AM

Hi all,
In an effort to give the ol machine a bit more grunt i recently upgraded my processor from an intel celeron 11@2.8Ghz to a pentium 4@3.0Ghz. Now SH111 won`t run at all. It`s crashing and freezing all over the place. I can install the game but it wont run even in vanilla form. anyone come across this type of problem before.Does that fact that processor has EM64T support and HyperThreading have anything to do with it?I have done all the usual things such as defragging ,upgrading chipset drivers,ect. any clues anyone.
Best wishes Grayson

Captain Nemo · 10-12-06, 09:16 AM

I have a PC with a P4 3GHz processor and it runs SHIII with no problems, so I wouldn't have thought this is the cause of the problem unless it is faulty or incompatible with your set up in some way.

Nemo

Respenus · 10-12-06, 09:44 AM

When you install the game, the setup pops up the requirements and if your computer is good enought. I guess it's more then good, but the program said that my 1.866GHz E6300 Intel Core 2 DUO wouldn't be able to play the game at recomended requirements. Be sure it is. So it "might" be faulty.

Maybe you have a drivers problem. Or it's you Windows. Anything can happen.

10-12-06, 11:23 AM

It's not a 64 bit, is it?

Grayson · 10-12-06, 11:38 AM

Hi there Albrecht.
Yeah thats my point. The info screen at start up says that the cpu has EM64T support which as far as i can see means that if you go to a 64bit OS, the cpu will starrt working at 64bit(you also need a compatible mother board),but i`m running windows XP home edition,service pack2(32bit).Also i have no other software problems with the machine. Grayson

Potoroo · 10-12-06, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Grayson

The info screen at start up says that the cpu has EM64T support... but i`m running windows XP home edition,service pack2(32bit).Also i have no other software problems with the machine. Grayson

The EM64T support is irrelevant when you're running XP32. What I'd challenge is the claim you have no other software problems. That might seem to be true if your rig is lightly loaded but you'll need to run some stress tests to see just how stable it really is under load. I'm assuming your BIOS supports the P4 3Ghz and your PSU is up to scratch.

Download MemTest86 from http://www.memtest86.com/. Run it from a bootable floppy or bootable CD. It will identify any obvious memory problems independently of Windows. If it runs successfully for two or three passes move to the next step.

Download Prime95 from http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm. Run it in Torture Test mode. This stresses your memory subsystem. If you can run it continuously for at least eight hours your RAM is probably fine. If it locks up then you need to look at your RAM voltage and also your CPU (core) voltage. If it runs successfully move on to the next step.

Download CPUBurn4 from http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.ph...4&d=1053782812. With your CPU run BURNP6.EXE for an hour or so. This stresses your CPU. While overclockers primarily use CPUBurn to gauge CPU temperatures under load (so run a CPU temperature monitoring program at the same time), failure may indicate CPU undervoltage.

If you all three tests run successfully and you still have SH3 lockups then you're getting into more difficult diagnosis territory, but at least you'll know it's not your rig per se.

ecm747x · 10-12-06, 08:36 PM

Potoroo may have hit it on the head. I would make sure your MB is set up to accept a P-4 chip. You may need a bios update to correct the problem. If you know the MB type go to their site and get an updated bios if it says the MB can support the P-4 chip. Also, what watt PSU are you running? It may be dropping your voltages down when trying to play the Game and causing it to mess up.
If it worked fine before and only now is messing up with the new cpu I have a feeling these could be your culprit.....

svenks · 10-13-06, 01:02 AM

Hi, just butting in here...

Have you checked your Device Manager for yellow exclamtion signs? Upgrading your CPU can easily cause a host of new devices to be installed - and some of these may not be installed correctly.
You might also check your video drivers - have you got the latest?

HTH
Sven

Grayson · 10-14-06, 05:47 AM

Hi guys,
many thanks for the replies, here`s where im up to:
Potoroo, thanks for links and advice,not had time to run all the tests yet due to work etc.
My M/B is an Abit AS8-V. It does support the P4 up to 4Ghz,my PSU is a 350watt type and the machine has only the usual peripherals installed.Supplied with board was a neat little utility called Abit Guru which allows you to monitor temps and voltages in real time and what i`ve found is that at idle the cpu temp is 47c and the core voltage is 1.33v, if i then start up SH111 and run it for while then alt-tab and check the temps and volts these have gone up to 51-53c and 1.36 for the voltage rail. Doe`s anybody know if these figures are in/out of spec? they seem a bit low to me,could this be pointing to a processor which is OK as long as you don`t ask it to do anything?
Grayson

Potoroo · 10-14-06, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Grayson

My M/B is an Abit AS8-V. It does support the P4 up to 4Ghz,

Are you sure? You specified your P4 has EM64T and HyperThreading.

The Abit AS8-V motherboard uses the Intel 865PE chipset. The 865PE supports HT but it does not support EM64T, and Intel's web site specifies that your motherboard, BIOS and OS must have EM64T support even when running in 32-bit mode (so I was wrong about it being irrelevant).

So, if you have the model 531, 630 or 631 (P4 3Ghz with EM64T and HT) you're in trouble. However, there are P4s (3Ghz) with HT but without EM64T (like the 530, 530J, and some older ones). You cannot proceed without more accurately identifying which CPU you have.

Go directly to http://www.cpuid.org/cpuz.php. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Download CPUZ and run it (it will take several seconds for the window to appear as it gathers system information). On both the CPU and Mainboard tabs hit the F5 key to save a bitmap image of the tab in the CPU-Z folder. Either post them here or send them to me via PM.

Grayson · 10-14-06, 07:37 AM

Bingo Potoroo,Oh sh*t it`s a 531 model. Looks like we might be getting somwhere now,thanks for being on the ball and prompt!!!
looks like it`s new M/B time, any recommendations for this CPU
best regards Grayson

John Channing · 10-14-06, 11:16 AM

I addition to the above you are running very hot (Intel chips do). I had to get a case with 4 fans on it to run a P4 3.6. Up to then I was getting the same temps and crashes you are with SH3. Now everything is fine.

JCC

NightCrawler · 10-15-06, 07:47 AM

Are you trying put a Pentium chip into a celeron mainboard? no wonder it works...

Potoroo · 10-15-06, 10:21 AM

There's no such thing as a "celeron motherboard". Motherboards go according to socket types and chipset support. Grayson's socket type was correct but his chipset support wasn't.

10-12-06, 09:10 AM	#1
Grayson Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	New CPU Blues Hi all, In an effort to give the ol machine a bit more grunt i recently upgraded my processor from an intel celeron 11@2.8Ghz to a pentium 4@3.0Ghz. Now SH111 won`t run at all. It`s crashing and freezing all over the place. I can install the game but it wont run even in vanilla form. anyone come across this type of problem before.Does that fact that processor has EM64T support and HyperThreading have anything to do with it?I have done all the usual things such as defragging ,upgrading chipset drivers,ect. any clues anyone. Best wishes Grayson

10-12-06, 09:44 AM	#3
Respenus Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,169 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	When you install the game, the setup pops up the requirements and if your computer is good enought. I guess it's more then good, but the program said that my 1.866GHz E6300 Intel Core 2 DUO wouldn't be able to play the game at recomended requirements. Be sure it is. So it "might" be faulty. Maybe you have a drivers problem. Or it's you Windows. Anything can happen. __________________

10-12-06, 11:38 AM	#5
Grayson Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	New CPU Blues Hi there Albrecht. Yeah thats my point. The info screen at start up says that the cpu has EM64T support which as far as i can see means that if you go to a 64bit OS, the cpu will starrt working at 64bit(you also need a compatible mother board),but i`m running windows XP home edition,service pack2(32bit).Also i have no other software problems with the machine. Grayson

10-14-06, 05:47 AM	#9
Grayson Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	New cpu Blues Hi guys, many thanks for the replies, here`s where im up to: Potoroo, thanks for links and advice,not had time to run all the tests yet due to work etc. My M/B is an Abit AS8-V. It does support the P4 up to 4Ghz,my PSU is a 350watt type and the machine has only the usual peripherals installed.Supplied with board was a neat little utility called Abit Guru which allows you to monitor temps and voltages in real time and what i`ve found is that at idle the cpu temp is 47c and the core voltage is 1.33v, if i then start up SH111 and run it for while then alt-tab and check the temps and volts these have gone up to 51-53c and 1.36 for the voltage rail. Doe`s anybody know if these figures are in/out of spec? they seem a bit low to me,could this be pointing to a processor which is OK as long as you don`t ask it to do anything? Grayson

10-14-06, 07:37 AM	#11
Grayson Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	new cpu blues Bingo Potoroo,Oh sh*t it`s a 531 model. Looks like we might be getting somwhere now,thanks for being on the ball and prompt!!! looks like it`s new M/B time, any recommendations for this CPU best regards Grayson

10-12-06, 09:16 AM	#2
Captain Nemo Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 1,144 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	I have a PC with a P4 3GHz processor and it runs SHIII with no problems, so I wouldn't have thought this is the cause of the problem unless it is faulty or incompatible with your set up in some way. Nemo

10-12-06, 11:23 AM	#4
Albrecht Von Hesse Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	It's not a 64 bit, is it?

10-12-06, 08:36 PM	#7
ecm747x Gunner Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA, Indiana Posts: 94 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Potoroo may have hit it on the head. I would make sure your MB is set up to accept a P-4 chip. You may need a bios update to correct the problem. If you know the MB type go to their site and get an updated bios if it says the MB can support the P-4 chip. Also, what watt PSU are you running? It may be dropping your voltages down when trying to play the Game and causing it to mess up. If it worked fine before and only now is messing up with the new cpu I have a feeling these could be your culprit.....

10-13-06, 01:02 AM	#8
svenks Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 129 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Hi, just butting in here... Have you checked your Device Manager for yellow exclamtion signs? Upgrading your CPU can easily cause a host of new devices to be installed - and some of these may not be installed correctly. You might also check your video drivers - have you got the latest? HTH Sven

10-14-06, 11:16 AM	#12
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	I addition to the above you are running very hot (Intel chips do). I had to get a case with 4 fans on it to run a P4 3.6. Up to then I was getting the same temps and crashes you are with SH3. Now everything is fine. JCC

10-15-06, 07:47 AM	#13
NightCrawler Engineer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: FLA USA Posts: 217 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Uhm??? Are you trying put a Pentium chip into a celeron mainboard? no wonder it works...

10-15-06, 10:21 AM	#14
Potoroo Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 173 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	There's no such thing as a "celeron motherboard". Motherboards go according to socket types and chipset support. Grayson's socket type was correct but his chipset support wasn't.