CIA to Air Decades of Its Dirty Laundry

Fish · 06-22-07, 12:41 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...referrer=email

The CIA will declassify hundreds of pages of long-secret records detailing some of the intelligence agency's worst illegal abuses -- the so-called "family jewels" documenting a quarter-century of overseas assassination attempts, domestic spying, kidnapping and infiltration of leftist groups from the 1950s to the 1970s, CIA Director Michael V. Hayden said yesterday.
The documents, to be publicly released next week, also include accounts of break-ins and theft, the agency's opening of private mail to and from China and the Soviet Union, wiretaps and surveillance of journalists, and a series of "unwitting" tests on U.S. civilians, including the use of drugs.

SUBMAN1 · 06-22-07, 12:58 PM

Yeah sure. Some form of April Fools joke? Don't even expect anything incriminating. They will just give you enough to wet your apetite.

Bon appetit! :p

-S

tycho102 · 06-22-07, 12:59 PM

I'll wait to see what all is in the batch. It was my understanding that the only thing being released was illegal domestic programs. Perhaps that's the only thing being released which has specific information?

I'm watching for it.

U-533 · 06-22-07, 04:11 PM

P_Funk · 06-22-07, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

and a series of "unwitting" tests on U.S. civilians, including the use of drugs.

Don't we already know about this? Isn't that about the CIA program to explore the ideas of mind control? I believe they tested LSD on random people without their knowledge. One guy died I think.

Personally I'm waiting for the documents linking the CIA to Sirhan Sirhan.

ASWnut101 · 06-22-07, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Yeah sure. Some form of April Fools joke? Don't even expect anything incriminating. They will just give you enough to wet your apetite.

Bon appetit! :p

-S

I agree. CIA has always tried their best to keep everything they do secret forever. Them releasing incriminating evidence against themselves from themselves? Not a snowball's chance in hell.

Heibges · 06-22-07, 06:20 PM

But it's really surprising the stuff the CIA does release.

I think the stuff they really want to keep secret they do outside the agency with contract personel.

P_Funk · 06-22-07, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Heibges

But it's really surprising the stuff the CIA does release.

Yea really. I mean if thats the stuff they want us to think they're doing then you gotta wonder the stuff they are dying to keep under wraps.

Heibges · 06-22-07, 06:45 PM

You can even see very funny footage of Dick Helms testifying before Congress about the plot to kill Castro.

They ask him all these questions, about all these outlandish plots, and he finally gets angry and says that he doesn't know why they came up with all these crazy schemes, and finally laughingly says in retrospect they would have been smarter to have just found someone to walk up to Castro and shoot him with a pistol.

August · 06-22-07, 08:03 PM

[quote=P_Funk]

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Originally Posted by Heibges

I mean if thats the stuff they want us to think they're doing then you gotta wonder the stuff they are dying to keep under wraps.

Or more importantly why.

Heibges · 06-22-07, 08:30 PM

I think in intelligence you have to be slightly paranoid and highly compartmentalized. Because if the enemy figures out Point A, it might not take them long to deduce Point B, and from there figure out Point C. A successful intelligence operation has to operate like the "cells" used by terrorist groups. One cell should not be able to compromise another.

Otherwise you are liable to have a Robert Hansen or an Aldridge Ames come in and destroy your entire intelligence organization.

What really bothers me about the Valeria Plame thing is that everyone she ever came in contact with abroad now has a target on their heads for the possibility of being a US spy.

August · 06-22-07, 08:53 PM

I just watched The Good Shepard tonight. FWIW I hope there is a "Mother" or two on our side.

Heibges · 06-22-07, 10:02 PM

I have it on my Neflix, but haven't watched it yet.

Think about this. Osama Bin Laden is on dialysis. I find it highly unlikely that if he is still alive, that he has been living in a cave this whole time.

What do you think the odds are that he has been living comfortably in Saudi Arabia the whole time? I would imagine that if he was living in Mecca he would be pretty hard to locate, and it would be impossible to assassinate him there without risking a major dust-up?

Fish · 06-23-07, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Heibges

living comfortably in Saudi Arabia the whole time? I would imagine that if he was living in Mecca he would be pretty hard to locate, and it would be impossible to assassinate him there without risking a major dust-up?

Waiting for a new kidney.

06-22-07, 12:41 PM	#1
Fish Eternal Patrol Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,923 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	CIA to Air Decades of Its Dirty Laundry http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...referrer=email The CIA will declassify hundreds of pages of long-secret records detailing some of the intelligence agency's worst illegal abuses -- the so-called "family jewels" documenting a quarter-century of overseas assassination attempts, domestic spying, kidnapping and infiltration of leftist groups from the 1950s to the 1970s, CIA Director Michael V. Hayden said yesterday. The documents, to be publicly released next week, also include accounts of break-ins and theft, the agency's opening of private mail to and from China and the Soviet Union, wiretaps and surveillance of journalists, and a series of "unwitting" tests on U.S. civilians, including the use of drugs.

06-22-07, 12:58 PM	#2
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah sure. Some form of April Fools joke? Don't even expect anything incriminating. They will just give you enough to wet your apetite. Bon appetit! :p -S __________________

06-22-07, 06:20 PM	#7
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	But it's really surprising the stuff the CIA does release. I think the stuff they really want to keep secret they do outside the agency with contract personel. __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

06-22-07, 06:45 PM	#9
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	You can even see very funny footage of Dick Helms testifying before Congress about the plot to kill Castro. They ask him all these questions, about all these outlandish plots, and he finally gets angry and says that he doesn't know why they came up with all these crazy schemes, and finally laughingly says in retrospect they would have been smarter to have just found someone to walk up to Castro and shoot him with a pistol. __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

06-22-07, 08:30 PM	#11
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I think in intelligence you have to be slightly paranoid and highly compartmentalized. Because if the enemy figures out Point A, it might not take them long to deduce Point B, and from there figure out Point C. A successful intelligence operation has to operate like the "cells" used by terrorist groups. One cell should not be able to compromise another. Otherwise you are liable to have a Robert Hansen or an Aldridge Ames come in and destroy your entire intelligence organization. What really bothers me about the Valeria Plame thing is that everyone she ever came in contact with abroad now has a target on their heads for the possibility of being a US spy. __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

06-22-07, 12:59 PM	#3
tycho102 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,100 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'll wait to see what all is in the batch. It was my understanding that the only thing being released was illegal domestic programs. Perhaps that's the only thing being released which has specific information? I'm watching for it.

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06-22-07, 08:53 PM	#12
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I just watched The Good Shepard tonight. FWIW I hope there is a "Mother" or two on our side. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

06-22-07, 10:02 PM	#13
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I have it on my Neflix, but haven't watched it yet. Think about this. Osama Bin Laden is on dialysis. I find it highly unlikely that if he is still alive, that he has been living in a cave this whole time. What do you think the odds are that he has been living comfortably in Saudi Arabia the whole time? I would imagine that if he was living in Mecca he would be pretty hard to locate, and it would be impossible to assassinate him there without risking a major dust-up? __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/ Last edited by Heibges; 06-22-07 at 10:42 PM.