88/105 used as AA-gun ?

Henry_pl · 09-10-06, 10:03 AM

Have you ever used a deck gun against planes ?

Was that successful ?

The 88mm gun was created as an AA gun- later it was turned into anti-armor gun.

1 shell should smash any bomber (when hit)...

The Noob · 09-10-06, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry_pl

Have you ever used a deck gun against planes ?

Was that successful ?

The 88mm gun was created as an AA gun- later it was turned into anti-armor gun.

1 shell should smash any bomber (when hit)...

The Problem is...well, to hit. It's Nearly Impossible without Explosive AA Ammo. And that you don't have in Silent Hunter 3, not for the Deck Gun...i think.

Marriott · 09-10-06, 10:39 AM

And i believe that the 88 that was on u-boats was unrelated to the 88 used in AA/AT roles

Dowly · 09-10-06, 10:43 AM

I´ve also heard that the 88 used in the land forces were different than the kriegsmarine 88. Havent even tried to shoot down a plane with it, but IIRC one real life kaleun shot down plane with it.

anthrax · 09-10-06, 10:54 AM

Nope. The 8.8 cm/45 (3.46") SK C/35 is unrelated to the 8.8 cm guns mounted on german tanks.

Large calibre guns aren't really very effective against fast moving aircraft. AA guns them selves didn't really advance too much over the WWII. However, fire control technology really did. At the start of the war, most aa guns used where linked to simple fire control systems. By the end of the war. The US moved to radar fire control with VT "varible time" fuses.

The short wave length radar allowed for accrate determination of range and height. With mechanical computers, speed, and course could be accurately determined and a firing solution would be sent to the point the AA guns at the right lead angle..

The VT "varible time" fuse despite its name was nothing to do about varible time at all. Traditional AA fuses required the fuse to be se for a correct time of alititude for detenation before it was fired. VT basically put a simple "radar" device into the fuse and turned it into a proximity fuse. No fuses to set before hand, just pass your shell close nuff and the plane will be toast especailly with the 5" shells.

STEED · 09-10-06, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry_pl

Have you ever used a deck gun against planes ?

Was that successful ?

The 88mm gun was created as an AA gun- later it was turned into anti-armor gun.

1 shell should smash any bomber (when hit)...

Of course, if you use SH3C and put the reload time to zero, it's a great laugh and also having ago a destroyers as well. :rotfl:

Grrbob25 · 09-10-06, 01:53 PM

There was a case of a Type IX using the 105mm, destroying a russian aircraft!!

however this was probably just a lucky shot, even so I want their artillery crew on my u-boat!

moselgott · 09-10-06, 04:28 PM

I ´ve tried for several times now. I think you cannot shoot down a plane because the maximum ankle is too small and the gun cannot shoot high enough

Steeltrap · 09-10-06, 08:07 PM

Peter Cremer in "U333 - Story of a U-Boat Ace" clearly recounts using the 88mm against aircraft. He was a trained gunnery officer (initially served in a destroyer) and said it wasn't difficult for him to give the correct commands. So it could be done.

He also points out, of course, that a U-Boat would only 'fight' aircraft if caught with too little time to crash dive to safety.

I think it's best from a simulation perspective if staying on the surface around aircraft is usually a losing, or at least very risky, proposition. I've seen posts by people saying they've shot down 10+ aircraft on a patrol which is, frankly, ridiculous. Cremer made the point that bringing down an aircraft was very difficult, and U-Boats did all they could to avoid ever being found on the surface by them (rather difficult later in the war!).

Pablo · 09-10-06, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeltrap

Peter Cremer in "U333 - Story of a U-Boat Ace" clearly recounts using the 88mm against aircraft. He was a trained gunnery officer (initially served in a destroyer) and said it wasn't difficult for him to give the correct commands. So it could be done.

I suppose if a slow aircraft flew just above the water directly at the submarine's deck gun (no deflection angle) that a lucky deck gunner with plenty of warning just might pull it off.

But I would think that a "one-in-a-million" shot.

Pablo

Patboot · 09-10-06, 09:10 PM

Anthrax has it: The FlaK 36 (the dreaded "88") is completely different from the C/35 naval gun. The only similiarity is the bore size.

09-10-06, 11:03 PM

But to answer the original question, yes you can shoot down Aircraft with you main gun. Its pure ass and a **** load of good luck but its doable. Best targets are the bombers and you aim well above them as they either approch on their bombing run or departing on their way back to base. Either way they fly steady so thats your best time. Ohh and when they are on the Bombing Run and you miss....TURN!!!!!

Pants · 09-11-06, 06:08 AM

I used to shoot planes down with star shells :p
It's easy when you get the hang of it

Jimbuna · 09-11-06, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pants

I used to shoot planes down with star shells :p
It's easy when you get the hang of it

Bloody show off!!! (joke)

Pants · 09-11-06, 08:02 AM

HEHE :rotfl:

09-10-06, 10:03 AM	#1
Henry_pl Seaman Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Cracow, Poland Posts: 33 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	88/105 used as AA-gun ? Have you ever used a deck gun against planes ? Was that successful ? The 88mm gun was created as an AA gun- later it was turned into anti-armor gun. 1 shell should smash any bomber (when hit)...

09-10-06, 01:53 PM	#7
Grrbob25 Mate Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 52 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There was a case of a Type IX using the 105mm, destroying a russian aircraft!! however this was probably just a lucky shot, even so I want their artillery crew on my u-boat! __________________ LOS LOS LOS! BOP BOP SHU BOP

09-10-06, 04:28 PM	#8
moselgott Watch Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I ´ve tried for several times now. I think you cannot shoot down a plane because the maximum ankle is too small and the gun cannot shoot high enough __________________ "War does not determine who´s right, only who´s left" - Bertrand Russel

09-11-06, 06:08 AM	#13
Pants Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Atlantic Posts: 849 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I used to shoot planes down with star shells :p It's easy when you get the hang of it __________________ Ex GWX Dev Team member and proud GWX user

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Pants Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Atlantic Posts: 849 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	HEHE :rotfl: __________________ Ex GWX Dev Team member and proud GWX user

09-10-06, 10:39 AM	#3
Marriott Torpedoman Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 113 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	And i believe that the 88 that was on u-boats was unrelated to the 88 used in AA/AT roles

09-10-06, 10:43 AM	#4
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I´ve also heard that the 88 used in the land forces were different than the kriegsmarine 88. Havent even tried to shoot down a plane with it, but IIRC one real life kaleun shot down plane with it.

09-10-06, 10:54 AM	#5
anthrax Watch Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 15 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Nope. The 8.8 cm/45 (3.46") SK C/35 is unrelated to the 8.8 cm guns mounted on german tanks. Large calibre guns aren't really very effective against fast moving aircraft. AA guns them selves didn't really advance too much over the WWII. However, fire control technology really did. At the start of the war, most aa guns used where linked to simple fire control systems. By the end of the war. The US moved to radar fire control with VT "varible time" fuses. The short wave length radar allowed for accrate determination of range and height. With mechanical computers, speed, and course could be accurately determined and a firing solution would be sent to the point the AA guns at the right lead angle.. The VT "varible time" fuse despite its name was nothing to do about varible time at all. Traditional AA fuses required the fuse to be se for a correct time of alititude for detenation before it was fired. VT basically put a simple "radar" device into the fuse and turned it into a proximity fuse. No fuses to set before hand, just pass your shell close nuff and the plane will be toast especailly with the 5" shells.

09-10-06, 08:07 PM	#9
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Peter Cremer in "U333 - Story of a U-Boat Ace" clearly recounts using the 88mm against aircraft. He was a trained gunnery officer (initially served in a destroyer) and said it wasn't difficult for him to give the correct commands. So it could be done. He also points out, of course, that a U-Boat would only 'fight' aircraft if caught with too little time to crash dive to safety. I think it's best from a simulation perspective if staying on the surface around aircraft is usually a losing, or at least very risky, proposition. I've seen posts by people saying they've shot down 10+ aircraft on a patrol which is, frankly, ridiculous. Cremer made the point that bringing down an aircraft was very difficult, and U-Boats did all they could to avoid ever being found on the surface by them (rather difficult later in the war!).

09-10-06, 09:10 PM	#11
Patboot Engineer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 212 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Anthrax has it: The FlaK 36 (the dreaded "88") is completely different from the C/35 naval gun. The only similiarity is the bore size.

09-10-06, 11:03 PM	#12
Cdre Gibs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	But to answer the original question, yes you can shoot down Aircraft with you main gun. Its pure ass and a **** load of good luck but its doable. Best targets are the bombers and you aim well above them as they either approch on their bombing run or departing on their way back to base. Either way they fly steady so thats your best time. Ohh and when they are on the Bombing Run and you miss....TURN!!!!!