Are we sure it wasn't thermite?

Fish · 09-12-06, 04:40 PM

Alex Jones interviews Steven Jones, a BYU physics professor, who has scientifically proven that a special mix of thermite and sulfur and some other chemicals, known as thermate, was used to cut the WTC steel backbones. Thermate is widely used by the military and demolition companies as the cutting charges.

Yes:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...&q=steve+jones

No:

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

Dowly · 09-12-06, 04:49 PM

In Finland, there´s a show called 'Silminnäkijä' (=Eyewitness). It is a concentrates on all the 'big' things happening in the world. 9/11, the Tsunami and so on.

Anyway, the host of the show went to States to interview some of the conspiracy nuts. In one point they show a video of the tower just before it collapses and it seems something molten is pouring out of the building, and there´s a lot of that stuff coming. That would suggest that the steel melted, but the pro´s say that the fire wasnt hot enough to melt the steel. Not saying that it was STEEL that poured out, but it was definitly some metal or steel. I get you a still shot in a few minutes.

Edit: Oh I can see there´s already pics of the stuff pouring out.

Skybird · 09-12-06, 05:16 PM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/louie_cacchioli.html

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/fir...e-excerpts.htm

The first is a firefighter telling a magazine in brief how he and his group went upstairs in the tower and then heared something that he and his group believed to be a bomb explosion.

The second is more interesting, a transcript of the radio communication of the fire-brigades. Note that on 78th floor the reported only two small pockets of fire. How that should be enough to melt steel structures remains mystery: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Dowly · 09-12-06, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

...numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

= fatalities

Skybird · 09-12-06, 06:21 PM

Supplementing Fish's video, that guy talking there I already referred to:

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Originally Posted by Skybird

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=97846
post #12

http://worldtradecentertruth.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletely Collapse.pdf

That author got fired from his mormon university for violating the taboos around 9/11 too often. He also did not serve his reputation well when having puplished this essay about Jesus visiting America back then:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/j...%20figures.htm

The first report is giving the impression of a person that knows what he is talking of. The second clearly accieved the opposite effect for me.

joea · 09-12-06, 07:35 PM

Sorry Fish, Alex Joens has no credibility and is a shyster, from the second link you posted:

Quote:

n Steven Jones PDF "Answers to Objections and Questions", to support his claim for Sol-gels/Thermite he states:

"One molecule, described by the EPA's Erik Swartz, was present at levels "that dwarfed all others": 1,3-diphenylpropane. "We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done,"

However when you look at the link he uses
http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hsair0911,0,471193.story?coll=ny-homepage-right-area
You find out Mr. Jones edits out the VERY next line which states

"He said it was most likely produced by the plastic of tens of thousands of burning computers."

Apparently Jones felt this was not important enough for his readers to know.
Sloppy research or purposeful deception by the "scholars"? The evidence for one is growing...
Thanks to Shagster, ScottS and David B. Benson for their research.

Please.

The Avon Lady · 09-12-06, 11:27 PM

Are we sure it wasn't termites?

Torplexed · 09-13-06, 12:12 AM

It musta been termites! Mutant government termites. :rotfl:

It's more believable than huge teams of demolitions experts, who had no problem wiring one of the largest buildings in the world working every night for what had to be months (and that's only if they had a big enough crew) placing maybe 10,000 separate charges in each tower and another few thousand in WTC 7 (the smaller WTC tower that also collapsed, later in the day on 9/11).

And nobody noticed.

Truckloads of charges, dozens of mysterious workers, going in and out of the building, night after night. Security at the building doesn't catch them, Port Authority Police don't catch them, random eyewitnesses who stumble across the operation and call the cops don't catch them, maintenance workers who stumble across wet paint and repaired walls and bits of strange wire don't catch them, security cameras don't catch them. Dogs brought in to sniff for bombs (a standard procedure after the 1993 attack) don't catch them.

Had to be termites. Had to be.

The Avon Lady · 09-13-06, 01:43 AM

It is really pathetic that this still has to be said: Conspiracy Cranks - Creating Crazed '9/11 Truth'.

Smaragdadler · 09-13-06, 03:29 AM

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...Aber wie, so fragt der Spiegel, hätte man die Gebäude mit Sprengstoff spicken sollen, ohne daß jemand plaudert? Nun, vielleicht hat bei der Verminung der Türme der Umstand geholfen, daß für die Sicherheit im World Trade Center eine Firma namens Stratesec zuständig war, in deren Vorstand ein gewisser Marvin Bush saß, ein Bruder des US-Präsidenten. Eine interessante Verbindung. Nur das FBI war nicht dieser Meinung. Bei ihm hätte sich kein Mensch vom FBI oder einer anderen Behörde nach den Aktivitäten der Firma im Zusammenhang mit dem 11.9. erkundigt, sagte Stratesec-Geschäftsführer Barry McDaniel. Das ist nicht weiter überraschend, denn nach Auskunft eines FBI-Sprechers werden die Ermittlungen in Sachen 11.9. seit Oktober 2001 »auf nationaler Ebene koordiniert« – »direkt aus dem Weißen Haus«. Also letztlich von Marvins Bruder George W. Bush.

Source: http://www.jungewelt.de/2006/09-11/004.php

summary:
The security of the WTC was done by a firm called Stratesec. One of the bosses of
Stratesec is Marvin Bush.
One other manager of Stratesec is called Barry McDaniel. He says the FBI, investigating 9/11, never had questions about the activities of his firm in the time before 9/11.
That is no suprise, because since October 2001 all investigation about 9/11 is "coordinated on national level" - "directly out of the White House".
This means in the end by Marvins brother George W. ...

joea · 09-13-06, 03:36 AM

Right all those lines and wires and explosives would have been noticed by nobody.

The Avon Lady · 09-13-06, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smaragdadler

Quote:

...Aber wie, so fragt der Spiegel, hätte man die Gebäude mit Sprengstoff spicken sollen, ohne daß jemand plaudert? Nun, vielleicht hat bei der Verminung der Türme der Umstand geholfen, daß für die Sicherheit im World Trade Center eine Firma namens Stratesec zuständig war, in deren Vorstand ein gewisser Marvin Bush saß, ein Bruder des US-Präsidenten. Eine interessante Verbindung. Nur das FBI war nicht dieser Meinung. Bei ihm hätte sich kein Mensch vom FBI oder einer anderen Behörde nach den Aktivitäten der Firma im Zusammenhang mit dem 11.9. erkundigt, sagte Stratesec-Geschäftsführer Barry McDaniel. Das ist nicht weiter überraschend, denn nach Auskunft eines FBI-Sprechers werden die Ermittlungen in Sachen 11.9. seit Oktober 2001 »auf nationaler Ebene koordiniert« – »direkt aus dem Weißen Haus«. Also letztlich von Marvins Bruder George W. Bush.

Source: http://www.jungewelt.de/2006/09-11/004.php

summary:
The security of the WTC was done by a firm called Stratesec. One of the bosses of
Stratesec is Marvin Bush.
One other manager of Stratesec is called Barry McDaniel. He says the FBI, investigating 9/11, never had questions about the activities of his firm in the time before 9/11.
That is no suprise, because since October 2001 all investigation about 9/11 is "coordinated on national level" - "directly out of the White House".
This means in the end by Marvins brother George W. ...

Even the tin-foil hat loonies at the DU said enough is enough.

When will the world grow up?!

Fish · 09-13-06, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

It is really pathetic that this still has to be said: Conspiracy Cranks - Creating Crazed '9/11 Truth'.

Thanks for the link, Avon.

The Avon Lady · 09-13-06, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

It is really pathetic that this still has to be said: Conspiracy Cranks - Creating Crazed '9/11 Truth'.

Thanks for the link, Avon.

Why are you still talking with such crackpots?

Are you a major in psychology? Is this for your doctorate? These people are just plain crackers!

Immacolata · 09-13-06, 04:16 AM

It is probably easier than making real political work, you know. involve yourself in something that matters.

09-12-06, 04:49 PM	#2
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,053 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	In Finland, there´s a show called 'Silminnäkijä' (=Eyewitness). It is a concentrates on all the 'big' things happening in the world. 9/11, the Tsunami and so on. Anyway, the host of the show went to States to interview some of the conspiracy nuts. In one point they show a video of the tower just before it collapses and it seems something molten is pouring out of the building, and there´s a lot of that stuff coming. That would suggest that the steel melted, but the pro´s say that the fire wasnt hot enough to melt the steel. Not saying that it was STEEL that poured out, but it was definitly some metal or steel. I get you a still shot in a few minutes. Edit: Oh I can see there´s already pics of the stuff pouring out. Last edited by Dowly; 09-12-06 at 05:00 PM.

09-12-06, 05:16 PM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,643 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	http://www.prisonplanet.com/louie_cacchioli.html http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/fir...e-excerpts.htm The first is a firefighter telling a magazine in brief how he and his group went upstairs in the tower and then heared something that he and his group believed to be a bomb explosion. The second is more interesting, a transcript of the radio communication of the fire-brigades. Note that on 78th floor the reported only two small pockets of fire. How that should be enough to melt steel structures remains mystery: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones." __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-12-06, 11:27 PM	#7
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Are we sure it wasn't termites? __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

09-13-06, 12:12 AM	#8
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	It musta been termites! Mutant government termites. :rotfl: It's more believable than huge teams of demolitions experts, who had no problem wiring one of the largest buildings in the world working every night for what had to be months (and that's only if they had a big enough crew) placing maybe 10,000 separate charges in each tower and another few thousand in WTC 7 (the smaller WTC tower that also collapsed, later in the day on 9/11). And nobody noticed. Truckloads of charges, dozens of mysterious workers, going in and out of the building, night after night. Security at the building doesn't catch them, Port Authority Police don't catch them, random eyewitnesses who stumble across the operation and call the cops don't catch them, maintenance workers who stumble across wet paint and repaired walls and bits of strange wire don't catch them, security cameras don't catch them. Dogs brought in to sniff for bombs (a standard procedure after the 1993 attack) don't catch them. Had to be termites. Had to be. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili-- Last edited by Torplexed; 09-13-06 at 12:16 AM.

09-13-06, 01:43 AM	#9
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	It is really pathetic that this still has to be said: Conspiracy Cranks - Creating Crazed '9/11 Truth'. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

09-12-06, 04:40 PM	#1
Fish Eternal Patrol Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,923 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Are we sure it wasn't thermite? Alex Jones interviews Steven Jones, a BYU physics professor, who has scientifically proven that a special mix of thermite and sulfur and some other chemicals, known as thermate, was used to cut the WTC steel backbones. Thermate is widely used by the military and demolition companies as the cutting charges. Yes: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...&q=steve+jones No: http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm Last edited by Fish; 09-12-06 at 04:54 PM.

09-13-06, 03:36 AM	#11
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Right all those lines and wires and explosives would have been noticed by nobody.

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Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	It is probably easier than making real political work, you know. involve yourself in something that matters.