Iran's new fighter

Linton · 09-06-06, 06:00 PM

This thread covers the launch of Iran's new fighter.It is remarkably similiar to the 1970s vintage F5 and probably costs a tiny fraction of something like a Typhoon or anything else!
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=242627

TteFAboB · 09-06-06, 07:09 PM

You know, at least the Russians can put up a real threat, thus making propaganda out of their planes makes some sense. Propaganda for suicidal aircraft can only be meant to attract more suicidal volunteers.

This is just mockery. Speaking of Russians, Gen. Yury Andropov was right when he said that Muslims are nationalistic and jingoistic wasn't he? He certainly was when he said they liked the spirit of victims, because that's what the pilots flying these planes will be, victims of their own jingoism.

Why even pretend? Where are they hiding the Su-30s?

Marriott · 09-06-06, 07:10 PM

Iran has F-16's and whatnot as well. Alot of purchased equipment. I dont think this plane would be overly advanced though

Yahoshua · 09-06-06, 08:15 PM

Look out ppl.

It's equipped with Radar!!

:rotfl:

Onkel Neal · 09-06-06, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Look out ppl.

It's equipped with Radar!!

:rotfl:

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Yahoshua · 09-06-06, 09:52 PM

I'm sure it'll fly real fast.

I bet it'll fly even faster when heading into the ground.

09-06-06, 10:31 PM

We shouldn't under estimate a potential enemy. Just look what happened on 9/11. Just two civilian planes took out several thousand people without any high tech missles or fancy shmamsy radars!

Yahoshua · 09-06-06, 10:54 PM

Yes, We're all familiar with that, but on first observations, Iran is reproducing a variant of an obsolete aircraft and trying to pass it off as a fighter.

I just find it laughable that the Iranians think that they'll be able to match our fighters with that flying relic.

09-06-06, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Yes, We're all familiar with that, but on first observations, Iran is reproducing a variant of an obsolete aircraft and trying to pass it off as a fighter.

I just find it laughable that the Iranians think that they'll be able to match our fighters with that flying relic.

You just never know!

It's not the size of the dog in the fight that wins. It's the size of the fight in the dog.

The Noob · 09-06-06, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SubSerpent

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Yes, We're all familiar with that, but on first observations, Iran is reproducing a variant of an obsolete aircraft and trying to pass it off as a fighter.

I just find it laughable that the Iranians think that they'll be able to match our fighters with that flying relic.

You just never know!

It's not the size of the dog in the fight that wins. It's the size of the fight in the dog.

Thats Correct. If they'll "Re-Invent" the Kamikatze stuff they could be quite Succesful. They will be to fast to shoot down if they Head for your Nuclear Power Plants...

Or Imagine if they Just outnumber you...Imagine 50 German Messerschmitt ME 262 Planes Coming after One F16. Do you think the F16 would have a Chance?

I'll bet my Underwear (Wich i never wear anyway) that the Iranians have such Strategys.

Yahoshua · 09-07-06, 12:26 AM

One Tornado is worth 5 of those reproduced aircraft.

And yes, I agree that a dog can have a big fight in them, but you're betting a half dozen 5lb. rabid chihuahuas against a single 70lb foaming-at-the-mouth German Sheperd.

I already know who's going to win in the war of attrition, but it's the blitzkrieg that will win the short-run.

(btw, it's the pen that outlasts the sword in the war of attrition).

Winston · 09-07-06, 12:44 AM

They will make easy targets for even basic SAM defence if they fly strait and level at a power plant. Also, being based in Iran just which power plant would they be going after anyway?

Though fifty Me262's vs. one f16 will never happen you can bet the f16 would not take a scratch. Take a few out in BVR (Beyond Visual Range) then just head back home. The poor old Me262's would not even know they were under attack until the first one goes boom and then they would have no real defence and they would have know way to detect the f16.

How many of these aircraft can Iran actually build and put in the air anyway? Is it going to be anywhere near enough to defend there airspace for more then one day? What is the level of fighter training in the Iran air force? Is it anywhere near western levels?

TteFAboB · 09-07-06, 12:49 AM

With enough fuel tanks I suppose it could reach Israel, but then it would have to go through this:

http://www.iaf.org.il/Templates/Airc...ntPageNumber=6

And this: http://www.iaf.org.il/Templates/Airc...ntPageNumber=5

And this: http://www.iaf.org.il/Templates/Airc...ntPageNumber=5

And this: http://www.iaf.org.il/Templates/Airc...ntPageNumber=5

And the fighters.

1 F-16 might not be able to destroy 50 Me-262 but it can outright kill up to 6 of them with missiles. Then it could either escape unscratched or engage with Guns, in this case it could still pick out a few 262s untill there were no more vulnerable planes or gaps in their "formation".

There would be a kamikaze use for this plane against Naval ships. Of course, if the Iranians have such strategies, perhaps, say, the Americans are also thinking of strategies to defeat kamikazes? Here's one: destroy all these planes on the ground with F-117s and B-2s on the first night of the campaign.

This reminds me of the AAA guns in Baghdad. There was this "military expert" warning about the 40mm Bofors and other guns because "pointed to the ground they could annihilate the American soldiers". He forgot the Air Force could destroy these guns. Is this the case here?

Perilscope · 09-07-06, 02:15 AM

It's amazing to see Iran complain about us cutting them off civil aviation parts, yet they find a way to get materials and cast pieces to produce these aircrafts... It really shows what they really want.

STEED · 09-07-06, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Perilscope

It's amazing to see Iran complain about us cutting them off civil aviation parts, yet they find a way to get materials and cast pieces to produce these aircrafts... It really shows what they really want.

Inflatable dolls?

Yes I am being very sarcastic today.

09-06-06, 06:00 PM	#1
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Iran's new fighter This thread covers the launch of Iran's new fighter.It is remarkably similiar to the 1970s vintage F5 and probably costs a tiny fraction of something like a Typhoon or anything else! http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=242627 __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

09-06-06, 07:09 PM	#2
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	You know, at least the Russians can put up a real threat, thus making propaganda out of their planes makes some sense. Propaganda for suicidal aircraft can only be meant to attract more suicidal volunteers. This is just mockery. Speaking of Russians, Gen. Yury Andropov was right when he said that Muslims are nationalistic and jingoistic wasn't he? He certainly was when he said they liked the spirit of victims, because that's what the pilots flying these planes will be, victims of their own jingoism. Why even pretend? Where are they hiding the Su-30s? __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand Last edited by TteFAboB; 09-06-06 at 07:17 PM.

09-06-06, 08:15 PM	#4
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Look out ppl. It's equipped with Radar!! :rotfl: __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

09-06-06, 09:52 PM	#6
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm sure it'll fly real fast. I bet it'll fly even faster when heading into the ground. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

09-06-06, 10:54 PM	#8
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yes, We're all familiar with that, but on first observations, Iran is reproducing a variant of an obsolete aircraft and trying to pass it off as a fighter. I just find it laughable that the Iranians think that they'll be able to match our fighters with that flying relic. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

09-06-06, 07:10 PM	#3
Marriott Torpedoman Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 113 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Iran has F-16's and whatnot as well. Alot of purchased equipment. I dont think this plane would be overly advanced though

09-06-06, 10:31 PM	#7
SubSerpent Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	We shouldn't under estimate a potential enemy. Just look what happened on 9/11. Just two civilian planes took out several thousand people without any high tech missles or fancy shmamsy radars!

09-07-06, 12:26 AM	#11
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	One Tornado is worth 5 of those reproduced aircraft. And yes, I agree that a dog can have a big fight in them, but you're betting a half dozen 5lb. rabid chihuahuas against a single 70lb foaming-at-the-mouth German Sheperd. I already know who's going to win in the war of attrition, but it's the blitzkrieg that will win the short-run. (btw, it's the pen that outlasts the sword in the war of attrition). __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

09-07-06, 12:44 AM	#12
Winston Wild Night in Bangkok Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wales Posts: 179 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	They will make easy targets for even basic SAM defence if they fly strait and level at a power plant. Also, being based in Iran just which power plant would they be going after anyway? Though fifty Me262's vs. one f16 will never happen you can bet the f16 would not take a scratch. Take a few out in BVR (Beyond Visual Range) then just head back home. The poor old Me262's would not even know they were under attack until the first one goes boom and then they would have no real defence and they would have know way to detect the f16. How many of these aircraft can Iran actually build and put in the air anyway? Is it going to be anywhere near enough to defend there airspace for more then one day? What is the level of fighter training in the Iran air force? Is it anywhere near western levels? __________________ "Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash"

09-07-06, 12:49 AM	#13
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	With enough fuel tanks I suppose it could reach Israel, but then it would have to go through this: http://www.iaf.org.il/Templates/Airc...ntPageNumber=6 And this: http://www.iaf.org.il/Templates/Airc...ntPageNumber=5 And this: http://www.iaf.org.il/Templates/Airc...ntPageNumber=5 And this: http://www.iaf.org.il/Templates/Airc...ntPageNumber=5 And the fighters. 1 F-16 might not be able to destroy 50 Me-262 but it can outright kill up to 6 of them with missiles. Then it could either escape unscratched or engage with Guns, in this case it could still pick out a few 262s untill there were no more vulnerable planes or gaps in their "formation". There would be a kamikaze use for this plane against Naval ships. Of course, if the Iranians have such strategies, perhaps, say, the Americans are also thinking of strategies to defeat kamikazes? Here's one: destroy all these planes on the ground with F-117s and B-2s on the first night of the campaign. This reminds me of the AAA guns in Baghdad. There was this "military expert" warning about the 40mm Bofors and other guns because "pointed to the ground they could annihilate the American soldiers". He forgot the Air Force could destroy these guns. Is this the case here? __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

09-07-06, 02:15 AM	#14
Perilscope Sonar Guy Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Montréal Posts: 399 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It's amazing to see Iran complain about us cutting them off civil aviation parts, yet they find a way to get materials and cast pieces to produce these aircrafts... It really shows what they really want.