trawlers

Godalmighty83 · 08-20-06, 01:08 PM

so trawlers and fishing boats, viable targets or off limits?

i only ask as i recently tested out my newest AA gun out on a fishing boat and for the first time i felt a bit guilty.

U-104 · 08-20-06, 01:27 PM

it is ok.

STEED · 08-20-06, 01:36 PM

It's war no time to be nice.

Marriott · 08-20-06, 02:24 PM

i usually ignore trawlers and fishing boats unless its been a slow patrol.

Takeda Shingen · 08-20-06, 02:41 PM

It's a game, so you can shoot them up. In the real war, you would have been in some trouble. I ignore and avoid them because they are worthless as targets, and they call in air and sea units. Being depth charged in shallow water is not fun.

KeybdFlyer · 08-20-06, 02:50 PM

Use them for deck-gun practice - they're feeding the enemy! But keep a sharp lookout while you're doing so. They have radios. (They're worth next to nothing, but the practice is useful)

bookworm_020 · 08-20-06, 07:27 PM

If i'm chasing a single contact in heavy fog and find out it's a tug or trawler, then it's going to pay (my flak crews love me for it!)

I love sinking them, especialy when it's going to be hard for the aircraft and ships to respond. Remember it's war, depriving them of fish may not be as fun as oil, but if they get hungery, I'll gladly send a tin fish their way!

IrishUboot · 08-20-06, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KeybdFlyer

they're feeding the enemy!

LOL That's one way of looking at it.

I wouldn't waste any of my HE rounds on a fishing trawler, and I too would feel guilty about doing so.

P_Funk · 08-20-06, 09:34 PM

I play it how I think a real Kaleun would have. There's no honour or value in sinking 50 tonnes of cod. There isn't any Bdu imperative to SINK ALL FISHING TAWLERS BEFORE BRITISH TEA TIME! If you're doing that then you're just being a reeeal douche.

moselgott · 08-21-06, 01:15 PM

I think trawlers and the rest of the "liliput fleet" is -as long as the weather fits- a perfect aim for the signal flares. Except for these little vessels they are good for nothing

andy_311 · 08-21-06, 04:05 PM

I just ignore them period,not worth the ammo and worth nothing in renown.

Saukko · 08-21-06, 04:26 PM

Maybe not worth it, but more or less historically correct.

I found this at uboat.net, U-596 did some deck gun practice on 20th and 21st August 1943.

Date - U-boat - Commander - Name of ship - Tons - Nationality
20 Aug, 1943 - U-596 - Victor-Wilhelm Nonn - El Sayeda - 68 - Egyptian
21 Aug, 1943 - U-596 - Victor-Wilhelm Nonn - Panikos - 21 - British
21 Aug, 1943 - U-596 - Victor-Wilhelm Nonn - Namaz - 50 - British
21 Aug, 1943 - U-596 - Victor-Wilhelm Nonn - Lily - 132 - Palestinian

The Panikos was sunk with 25 rounds from the deck gun, the Namaz with 13 rounds and the Lily with 8 rounds.

See? First it took 25 rounds to sink a 21 ton boat, but then they finished 132 ton boat with just 8 rounds.

Immelman · 08-22-06, 03:08 PM

Whats the point its waste of deck gun ammo plus you expose youself to attack by giving your position away specially '42 and onwards. If you absolutley want to do it take down there antenna mast first

IrishUboot · 08-22-06, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saukko

Maybe not worth it, but more or less historically correct.

I found this at uboat.net, U-596 did some deck gun practice on 20th and 21st August 1943.

Date - U-boat - Commander - Name of ship - Tons - Nationality
20 Aug, 1943 - U-596 - Victor-Wilhelm Nonn - El Sayeda - 68 - Egyptian
21 Aug, 1943 - U-596 - Victor-Wilhelm Nonn - Panikos - 21 - British
21 Aug, 1943 - U-596 - Victor-Wilhelm Nonn - Namaz - 50 - British
21 Aug, 1943 - U-596 - Victor-Wilhelm Nonn - Lily - 132 - Palestinian

The Panikos was sunk with 25 rounds from the deck gun, the Namaz with 13 rounds and the Lily with 8 rounds.

See? First it took 25 rounds to sink a 21 ton boat, but then they finished 132 ton boat with just 8 rounds.

How common was this? I know that Heinrich Liebe (U-38) sunk the Irish trawler Leukos in March 1940 12 miles NW of Tory Island. What would Dönitz's view have been? I have my doubts that he could possibly have saw them as targets of any real value to the war effort. Sea fishing would not have provided an adequate food source for Britain, especially inland. Focus on the imports from America and other supporting nations.

The existence of Q-ships in the Great War would indicate that it wasn't all that uncommon since the very idea was to lure the German u-boat into close quarters on the surface and engage it with the concealed guns. Smaller vessels, such as trawlers, were favored for this task. Again though, they were more effective in certain areas where the Germans would expect vital imports or movement of materials of importance to the British war effort, such as coal and oil. Fishing vessels wouldn't be much of an attraction.

Godalmighty83 · 08-22-06, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Saukko

finished 132 ton boat with just 8 rounds.

with the grey wolves mod it would have took 130 rounds and took about 3.2 years to complete.

08-20-06, 01:08 PM	#1
Godalmighty83 Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 398 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	trawlers so trawlers and fishing boats, viable targets or off limits? i only ask as i recently tested out my newest AA gun out on a fishing boat and for the first time i felt a bit guilty. __________________ Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?

08-20-06, 01:27 PM	#2
U-104 Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: United States Posts: 797 Downloads: 187 Uploads: 0	it is ok. __________________ My heart is steadfast, O God. I will sing and make music with all my soul. Ps. 108:1 Survival of the fittest does not explain arrival of the fittest. we live in a single spoken sentence.. "God said, let there be"

08-20-06, 01:36 PM	#3
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	It's war no time to be nice. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

08-20-06, 07:27 PM	#7
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	If i'm chasing a single contact in heavy fog and find out it's a tug or trawler, then it's going to pay (my flak crews love me for it!) I love sinking them, especialy when it's going to be hard for the aircraft and ships to respond. Remember it's war, depriving them of fish may not be as fun as oil, but if they get hungery, I'll gladly send a tin fish their way! __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

08-20-06, 09:34 PM	#9
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	I play it how I think a real Kaleun would have. There's no honour or value in sinking 50 tonnes of cod. There isn't any Bdu imperative to SINK ALL FISHING TAWLERS BEFORE BRITISH TEA TIME! If you're doing that then you're just being a reeeal douche. __________________

08-20-06, 02:24 PM	#4
Marriott Torpedoman Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 113 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	i usually ignore trawlers and fishing boats unless its been a slow patrol.

08-20-06, 02:41 PM	#5
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	It's a game, so you can shoot them up. In the real war, you would have been in some trouble. I ignore and avoid them because they are worthless as targets, and they call in air and sea units. Being depth charged in shallow water is not fun.

08-20-06, 02:50 PM	#6
KeybdFlyer 中国水兵 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 272 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Use them for deck-gun practice - they're feeding the enemy! But keep a sharp lookout while you're doing so. They have radios. (They're worth next to nothing, but the practice is useful)

08-21-06, 01:15 PM	#10
moselgott Watch Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think trawlers and the rest of the "liliput fleet" is -as long as the weather fits- a perfect aim for the signal flares. Except for these little vessels they are good for nothing __________________ "War does not determine who´s right, only who´s left" - Bertrand Russel

08-21-06, 04:05 PM	#11
andy_311 The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oldham, Lancs,England Posts: 1,312 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	I just ignore them period,not worth the ammo and worth nothing in renown.

08-21-06, 04:26 PM	#12
Saukko Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 136 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Maybe not worth it, but more or less historically correct. I found this at uboat.net, U-596 did some deck gun practice on 20th and 21st August 1943. Date - U-boat - Commander - Name of ship - Tons - Nationality 20 Aug, 1943 - U-596 - Victor-Wilhelm Nonn - El Sayeda - 68 - Egyptian 21 Aug, 1943 - U-596 - Victor-Wilhelm Nonn - Panikos - 21 - British 21 Aug, 1943 - U-596 - Victor-Wilhelm Nonn - Namaz - 50 - British 21 Aug, 1943 - U-596 - Victor-Wilhelm Nonn - Lily - 132 - Palestinian The Panikos was sunk with 25 rounds from the deck gun, the Namaz with 13 rounds and the Lily with 8 rounds. See? First it took 25 rounds to sink a 21 ton boat, but then they finished 132 ton boat with just 8 rounds. Last edited by Saukko; 08-21-06 at 04:29 PM.

08-22-06, 03:08 PM	#13
Immelman Sparky Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 150 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Whats the point its waste of deck gun ammo plus you expose youself to attack by giving your position away specially '42 and onwards. If you absolutley want to do it take down there antenna mast first __________________ Fotia kai tsekouri