A Question for History Buffs

Murdock · 08-09-06, 08:52 AM

Ok here goes is there any recorded evedence of two u-boats in a wolfpack attacking and sinking the same ship in a convoy with torps.

And only discovering that they had done so later.
Must have happend i think:hmm:

don1reed · 08-09-06, 09:34 AM

absolutely:
U-26, Typ I, Klaus Ewerth Aug 1939
U-32, Typ 7, Paul Büchel Sep 39
U-35, Typ 7, Werner Lott "
U-33, Typ 7, Hans-Wilhelm von Dresky Oct 39
U-28, Typ 7, Günter Kuhnki Nov 39
U-30, Typ 7, Fritz-Julius Lemp Dez 39
U-53, Typ 7, Harald Grosse Feb 40
U-37, Typ 9, Victor Oehrn Mai 40
U-46, Typ 7b, Engelbert Endrass Jun 40
U-26, Typ I, Heinz Scheringer, Jun 40
U-99, Typ 7b, Otto Kretschmer Jun 40
U-99, " Jul 40
U-46, Engelbert Endrass Aug 40
U-100, 7b, Joachim Schepki Aug 40
U-28, 7, Günter Kuhnki Aug 40
U-32, 7, Hans Jenisch Aug 40
U-48, 7b, Heinrich Bleichrodt Sep 40
" Oct 40
U-101, 7b, Fritz Frauenheim Oct 40
U-100, Joachim Schepki Oct 40
U-47, 7b, Günther Prien Oct 40
U-104, 9b, Harald Jürst, Nov 40
U-43, 9, Wolfgang Lüth Nov 40
U-96, 7c, HL Wilenbrock Dez 40
....

The list goes on like this until the end of the war. See Appendix 2 of vol I C. Blair "Hitler's U-Boat War"

cheers,

Murdock · 08-09-06, 10:48 AM

Wow

Didnt no there were that many Thanks for the info.

sandbag69 · 08-09-06, 05:35 PM

If 2 U-Boats attacked/claimed to attack the same ship and it sank they were awarded a 1/2 kill.

bookworm_020 · 08-09-06, 07:03 PM

You must remember that communication wasn't as good between sub's as other ships. The sub captains were always on the look out for a big ship to sink so if there were a couple of U-boats out there they would offen gun for the same target.

This also happened with US boats in the first mini-wolfpacks they used. Better communication and pre-planning helped reduce cases latter on.

P_Funk · 08-10-06, 11:34 AM

In fact Wolf Packs really for the most part weren't much like packs. They were just a bunch of U-boats attacking the same convoy. They had little to no communication between themselves so there was really no unified strategy for attack. If they had such a thing the packs might have been muchmore successful. Imagine attacking on one flank to draw away the escorts and having 5 others attacking the other flank. But this wasn't possible given the way captains tended operate plus the use of their radios became a homing beacon for escorts given their new "HuffDuff" trackers.

08-09-06, 08:52 AM	#1
Murdock Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 59 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	A Question for History Buffs Ok here goes is there any recorded evedence of two u-boats in a wolfpack attacking and sinking the same ship in a convoy with torps. And only discovering that they had done so later. Must have happend i think:hmm: __________________ Enjoy the War for the peace will be Hell.

08-09-06, 09:34 AM	#2
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	absolutely: U-26, Typ I, Klaus Ewerth Aug 1939 U-32, Typ 7, Paul Büchel Sep 39 U-35, Typ 7, Werner Lott " U-33, Typ 7, Hans-Wilhelm von Dresky Oct 39 U-28, Typ 7, Günter Kuhnki Nov 39 U-30, Typ 7, Fritz-Julius Lemp Dez 39 U-53, Typ 7, Harald Grosse Feb 40 U-37, Typ 9, Victor Oehrn Mai 40 U-46, Typ 7b, Engelbert Endrass Jun 40 U-26, Typ I, Heinz Scheringer, Jun 40 U-99, Typ 7b, Otto Kretschmer Jun 40 U-99, " Jul 40 U-46, Engelbert Endrass Aug 40 U-100, 7b, Joachim Schepki Aug 40 U-28, 7, Günter Kuhnki Aug 40 U-32, 7, Hans Jenisch Aug 40 U-48, 7b, Heinrich Bleichrodt Sep 40 " Oct 40 U-101, 7b, Fritz Frauenheim Oct 40 U-100, Joachim Schepki Oct 40 U-47, 7b, Günther Prien Oct 40 U-104, 9b, Harald Jürst, Nov 40 U-43, 9, Wolfgang Lüth Nov 40 U-96, 7c, HL Wilenbrock Dez 40 .... The list goes on like this until the end of the war. See Appendix 2 of vol I C. Blair "Hitler's U-Boat War" cheers, __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

08-09-06, 10:48 AM	#3
Murdock Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 59 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	Wow Didnt no there were that many Thanks for the info. __________________ Enjoy the War for the peace will be Hell.

08-09-06, 07:03 PM	#5
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	You must remember that communication wasn't as good between sub's as other ships. The sub captains were always on the look out for a big ship to sink so if there were a couple of U-boats out there they would offen gun for the same target. This also happened with US boats in the first mini-wolfpacks they used. Better communication and pre-planning helped reduce cases latter on. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

08-10-06, 11:34 AM	#6
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	In fact Wolf Packs really for the most part weren't much like packs. They were just a bunch of U-boats attacking the same convoy. They had little to no communication between themselves so there was really no unified strategy for attack. If they had such a thing the packs might have been muchmore successful. Imagine attacking on one flank to draw away the escorts and having 5 others attacking the other flank. But this wasn't possible given the way captains tended operate plus the use of their radios became a homing beacon for escorts given their new "HuffDuff" trackers. __________________

08-09-06, 05:35 PM	#4
sandbag69 Medic Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 167 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	If 2 U-Boats attacked/claimed to attack the same ship and it sank they were awarded a 1/2 kill.