I don't believe it

[STEED]

What the heck is going on here?

The Sunday TimesJuly 23, 2006
Migrant fear over 45,000 'undesirables'

David Cracknell, Political Editor
THE Home Office is privately warning that 45,000 “undesirable” migrants from Romania and Bulgaria could legally be allowed to live in Britain when the two countries join the European Union next year.

NI_MPU('middle');It has drawn up a confidential “warnings index” of people from the two states, most of whom are suspected of having criminal associations or posing a security risk.
According to a paper circulated in Whitehall last week, ministers fear they may be unable to stop these people settling in Britain and claiming state benefits when Romania and Bulgaria join the EU.
The paper reveals that the government privately estimates between 60,000 and 140,000 Romanians and Bulgarians will arrive in Britain in the first year after accession.
Ministers were criticised for underestimating the number of migrants from the eight eastern European countries that joined the EU in 2004. Experts last week revealed that 600,000 had come to Britain since 2004, compared with the government’s estimate of between 5,000 and 13,000 a year.
The Home Office paper, from Joan Ryan, the Home Office minister, reveals deep concerns in government that a new wave of immigration may provoke a public backlash.
It warns of EU “enlargement fatigue” and that the “enough is enough” argument is winning.
The list of “undesirables” was compiled by the Immigration and Nationality Directorate (IND) and other law enforcement agencies from records of Bulgarians and Romanians who entered or tried to enter Britain.
It includes individuals who have been flagged because of immigration irregularities, passport fraud and links to crime.
The 45,000 figure may, however, be an underestimate because it includes only those people whom the British authorities know about through investigations into organised crime or stolen passports.
Once Bulgaria and Romania, known as the A2, join the EU, Ryan said it would be harder to expel such undesirables or stop them entering Britain.
On July 18, she wrote: “They will enjoy the same rights as other EEA [European Economic Area] nationals, who cannot easily be deported. In the past, A2 nationals have been removed for immigration-related offences which will cease to apply from accession.
“The key to us knowing when A2 criminals seek to enter the UK is to ensure that we have as much information as possible on serious criminals to include on the WI [warning index]. A2 governments can help, but they may want something in return.” At present, such criminals can be identified and barred from entering Britain through the checks required to obtain a visa. As EU citizens, the only requirement will be to produce a valid passport on entry. As a result, the paper reveals, ministers are considering refusing Bulgarians and Romanians the right to work in Britain.

“The issue is whether we think that the . . . impact of A2 access can be managed . . . or whether the political impact of unlimited A2 access at time of growing public anxiety over immigration means that we should restrict access, despite the operational complexities,” Ryan wrote.
Ryan’s paper reveals the depth of concern about a backlash from the public and media. She says migrants from Bulgaria and Romania will be “more visible” than those from other eastern European countries because unlike the Poles, for example, they have less well established communities here. There are also concerns that these migrants could bring with them organised crime and corruption, which is more established in these two countries.
NI_MPU('middle');Ryan suggests it might be unwise to publicise the estimate of up to 140,000 migrants as the government has been previously criticised for underestimating expected numbers of migrants.
She admits there have been areas of “strain” within communities as a result of east European migrants, particularly over housing. The number of east Europeans in UK prisons has trebled since June 2004 to about 560.
John Reid, the home secretary, is to announce plans to double the immigration agency’s budget and make all staff wear special uniforms to provide a visible presence at ports and borders.
MPs will this week fuel the controversy over immigration policy by calling for control over the system to be transferred from the home secretary, John Reid, to a new Cabinet committee. A report by the Commons home affairs select committee claims the entire system suffers from “fragmentation and lack of communication” and recommends the establishment of an independent Immigration Inspectorate to oversee border control. The report reveals there were 703 allegations of corruption at the Immigration and Nationality Directorate between 2004 and 2005.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...1618_1,00.html

[STEED]

John Reid, the home secretary, is to announce plans to double the immigration agency’s budget and make all staff wear special uniforms to provide a visible presence at ports and borders.

As if that would keep them out. :rotfl:

[Torplexed]

Steed.....I think you need to get out of Britain while you are still sane.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Steed.....I think you need to get out of Britain while you are still sane.

That sounds like a very good idea.

[lesrae]

You've got to chill out Steed, the UK has always had a high level of immigration, IMO it's the press that are giving this a big spin.

[STEED]

lesrae, I'm OK now just had a cup of refreshing tea.

[lesrae]

Originally Posted by STEED

lesrae, I'm OK now just had a cup of refreshing tea.

Good. Milk +2 ?

[Skybird]

Only 45.000? That is nothing.

According to three different studies done in Canada, Germany and Turkey, all three independent from each other, throughout the 90s, Germany could expect between 8 and 14 MILLION Turks wanting to come to Germany alone in case of Turkish EU membership and allowance for free moving. Having seen the almost ridiculous poverty in the core lands of Anatolia myself, I can understand their desire for a better life. Nevertheless, such a movement I always would bitterly fight against. I can promise every German that he does not want to live in the close neighbourhood of people sticking to the habits of usual life like in Anatolia. The social unrest and rebellion of citizens that could be triggered by this could let the riots in France appear to be harmless.

Maybe we see a race between Balkanisation and Islamization of Europe. Bet your money: who will win, or will they share and divide Europe amongst them?

[retired1212]

Well, Atleast you will get some pretty women from East Europe.
Heard that British women (usually) are nosy and they have flat ass. So you folks are going to get a perfect weapon(s) to deal with local women

[STEED]

Skybird, we are only a small country.

[XabbaRus]

Yawn, this is getting tiresome. The same thing was said when Poland and the Baltic countires joined teh EU. What happened. Nothing, blown out of proportion. BTW we have about 15 Polish workers at my place and they are really good. Work harder and in some areas better thatn the locals. Plus they don't all intend to stay here. Many send money back home.

[STEED]

NI_MPU('middle');It has drawn up a confidential “warnings index” of people from the two states, most of whom are suspected of having criminal associations or posing a security risk.

These are not the kind of people we want here, I don't object to those who are law abiding people who really want to contribute to our country.

[XabbaRus]

But they are already here in one form or another, who do you think runs most of teh prostitution rings in London, split between the Estonians, Albanians and eastern european criminals.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the media whipping things up again.

If you have taken a look at the article I posted a link to in the other thread I am wondering if a lot of these so called cock ups with criminal and immigrants are maybe not cock ups but deliberate, the press fed with info and outrage ensues amongst the British public and the government introduces yet another law and measure that decreases the civil liberties of everyone around and cements even more the role of government in everyday life. One more step down the road to a police state. Then it comes to a point where it is too late. The government has taken over. Hey maybe I have read to many distopian science fiction stories of the likes of Bradbury, Zamyatin, Orwell and Huxley but I see this happening.

[STEED]

XabbaRus, well done you are one of the few who is seeing what's going on, by the way you are now living in a police state as of 1st Jan 2006.