U.S. vetoes biased resolution

Yahoshua · 07-13-06, 06:34 PM

Thankyou Mr.Bolton.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060713/...un_israel_gaza

VipertheSniper · 07-13-06, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Thankyou Mr.Bolton.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060713/...un_israel_gaza

I hope that is sarcasm on your side...

Yahoshua · 07-13-06, 07:17 PM

Not in the slightest my friend.....

. I get great big smiles on my face knowing that friends from an armored unit based in the Golan is hammering Hizbullah into a crater.

Really brightens my day knowing that the end result will be a more secure border for Israel.

Sea Demon · 07-13-06, 07:27 PM

Yup. Great news. Hopefully Israel will just do what needed to be done 30 years ago. The UN and their worthless resolutions have done nothing but set conditions for more violence. The only thing that will bring a lasting peace to that region is a decisive military victory.

Thanks Mr. Bolton.

Skybird · 07-13-06, 07:32 PM

There cannot be a decisive victory in that region. What they are in for is nothing else than eternal war without end. I have sympoathy for what the are doing, and why, but I see the limited potential of war. They eventually get back their captured soldiers. what they will not get is peace. And what they will get is even more Islamic people fighting against them. No walls hold eternally. They will live under constant siege until then.

scandium · 07-13-06, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

There cannot be a decisive victory in that region. What they are in for is nothing else than eternal war without end. I have sympoathy for what the are doing, and why, but I see the limited potential of war. They eventually get back their captured soldiers. what they will not get is peace. And what they will get is even more Islamic people fighting against them. No walls hold eternally. They will live under constant siege until then.

Oddly enough I agree with what Skybird says there.

Iceman · 07-13-06, 10:33 PM

Yep unless someone is prepared to wipe out the other totally and feed thier children to lions and send the other men into fight in the arena then it will be same ole same ole....while China and Russia sit on the sidelines...

The Avon Lady · 07-13-06, 10:47 PM

Lions. Lions.

I know I put there here somewhere.

Here kitty kitty kitty..............................

August · 07-13-06, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

There cannot be a decisive victory in that region. What they are in for is nothing else than eternal war without end. I have sympoathy for what the are doing, and why, but I see the limited potential of war. They eventually get back their captured soldiers. what they will not get is peace. And what they will get is even more Islamic people fighting against them. No walls hold eternally. They will live under constant siege until then.

Just what Islamic peoples are those Sky? The Iranians? They're already backing Hezbollah and Hamas, as are the Syrians, and Hezbollah already owns southern Lebanon and the Christians are either unable or unwilling to stop them. Other than those, I don't see Jordan getting involved, Egypt is a slight maybe but everyone else is either too weak militarily or too far away, and that includes the Iranians, to do more than funnel arms, funds and the occasional small band of wild eyed fanatics willing to die for Allah to do much else.

Really, I see the Israelis as having little choice in the matter. Prisoner trade? That's not going to stop the rockets from being fired at their civilians. That's not going to stop their people from being kidnapped and held for more ransoms. So what are they to do? Return to the pre 67 borders? I don't think anyone really believes the Islamists would stop there and everything would suddenly be hunky-dory.

Besides, even if the Israelis were to give in to Hamas and Hezboolahs demands, I seriously doubt it would by anything more than the most temporary peace and even that's doubtful. All it would do is allow their enemy some time to rearm and prepare for the next battle, and we all know there will be one regardless of whatever action the Israelis take.

On the other hand, strength is something the Islamists undoubtedly understand and fighting back has been the only thing that has ever worked, so I do not take as gloomy a view about the situation as you do. Twice in my life there have been times when the world figured the Israelis were goners. Both times they brilliantly proved the experts wrong and not only survived but dominated the massive Arab forces thrown against them. I seriously doubt they will have any more Islamic people fighting against them than they have now, but in any case they have proved repeatedly they can handle much, much more.

Ducimus · 07-14-06, 12:03 AM

Oh, as if the Islamic world didnt hate us enough as it is, this is the icing on the cake.

I firmly beleive they're will never be peace in the middle east until one civlization or the other ceases to exist. Nothing less will ever resolve that conflict, and we (the US) will never be able to seperate ourselves from it.

Since were obviously supporting military action we may as well go full bore with it and be done with it.

Onkel Neal · 07-14-06, 12:16 AM

Aside from saying I belive this or that, I wonder how widely this will escalate this time around. It seems to be spreading fast. Will Egypt and Jordan keep quiet? Is this going to be another major conflict?

The Avon Lady · 07-14-06, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Aside from saying I belive this or that, I wonder how widely this will escalate this time around. It seems to be spreading fast. Will Egypt and Jordan keep quiet? Is this going to be another major conflict?

I believe not. :p

Ducimus · 07-14-06, 01:24 AM

Who knows. Personnaly im a little tired of it all, and i often wonder how we got dragged into it. Near as i can figure out, they started cursing the US sometime after israel kicked their asses during the 7day war. If documentaries ive seen on it are to beleived, it was such a stunning victory, the arabs needed a scape goat. (Heavy sarchasm here, from a supposed arab point of reference) "So the great big satin, MUST have been helping israel because there's just no way those dirty jews could have beaten an Arab nation on their own"! (end sarchasm)

I figure im probably misinformed, but thats as near as i can figure out how we first got dragged into this. The thing is, the whole conflict there seems to be the wellspring from which everything else follows. From what i can understand, it all starts there and then snowballs into other things.

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Just wanted to add, i hope Isreal kicks their asses again. But real good this time.

aaken · 07-14-06, 01:43 AM

Damn, I had planned to visit Jerusalem this summer! Crap, couldn't these people let me take my vacation and then start to kill each other?

The Avon Lady · 07-14-06, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by aaken

Damn, I had planned to visit Jerusalem this summer! Crap, couldn't these people let me take my vacation and then start to kill each other?

Next time, fill in the "special requests" box on your reservation form.

:p

Actually, only the Upper Gallilee is affected. Everything below that is fine. The hotels here are doing business as usual.

07-13-06, 06:34 PM	#1
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	U.S. vetoes biased resolution Thankyou Mr.Bolton. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060713/...un_israel_gaza __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

07-13-06, 07:17 PM	#3
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Not in the slightest my friend..... . I get great big smiles on my face knowing that friends from an armored unit based in the Golan is hammering Hizbullah into a crater. Really brightens my day knowing that the end result will be a more secure border for Israel. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

07-13-06, 07:32 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	There cannot be a decisive victory in that region. What they are in for is nothing else than eternal war without end. I have sympoathy for what the are doing, and why, but I see the limited potential of war. They eventually get back their captured soldiers. what they will not get is peace. And what they will get is even more Islamic people fighting against them. No walls hold eternally. They will live under constant siege until then. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-13-06, 10:47 PM	#8
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Lions. Lions. I know I put there here somewhere. Here kitty kitty kitty.............................. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

07-14-06, 12:16 AM	#11
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Aside from saying I belive this or that, I wonder how widely this will escalate this time around. It seems to be spreading fast. Will Egypt and Jordan keep quiet? Is this going to be another major conflict? __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

07-13-06, 07:27 PM	#4
Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Yup. Great news. Hopefully Israel will just do what needed to be done 30 years ago. The UN and their worthless resolutions have done nothing but set conditions for more violence. The only thing that will bring a lasting peace to that region is a decisive military victory. Thanks Mr. Bolton.

07-13-06, 10:33 PM	#7
Iceman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,253 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Yep unless someone is prepared to wipe out the other totally and feed thier children to lions and send the other men into fight in the arena then it will be same ole same ole....while China and Russia sit on the sidelines...

07-14-06, 12:03 AM	#10
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Oh, as if the Islamic world didnt hate us enough as it is, this is the icing on the cake. I firmly beleive they're will never be peace in the middle east until one civlization or the other ceases to exist. Nothing less will ever resolve that conflict, and we (the US) will never be able to seperate ourselves from it. Since were obviously supporting military action we may as well go full bore with it and be done with it.

07-14-06, 01:24 AM	#13
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Who knows. Personnaly im a little tired of it all, and i often wonder how we got dragged into it. Near as i can figure out, they started cursing the US sometime after israel kicked their asses during the 7day war. If documentaries ive seen on it are to beleived, it was such a stunning victory, the arabs needed a scape goat. (Heavy sarchasm here, from a supposed arab point of reference) "So the great big satin, MUST have been helping israel because there's just no way those dirty jews could have beaten an Arab nation on their own"! (end sarchasm) I figure im probably misinformed, but thats as near as i can figure out how we first got dragged into this. The thing is, the whole conflict there seems to be the wellspring from which everything else follows. From what i can understand, it all starts there and then snowballs into other things. edit: Just wanted to add, i hope Isreal kicks their asses again. But real good this time. Last edited by Ducimus; 07-14-06 at 01:26 AM.

07-14-06, 01:43 AM	#14
aaken Planesman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Naples Posts: 188 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 1	Damn, I had planned to visit Jerusalem this summer! Crap, couldn't these people let me take my vacation and then start to kill each other? __________________