Enemy Task Force

robj250 · 07-06-06, 08:40 AM

Has anyone ever successfully attacked an enemy task force? I have a VIIB fully upgraded with G7a torpedoes. It is night and the winds are 15 m/s July 5 1943. and I think I can intercept them (notified by radio message) they are doing 14 kts. They are in Grid BF19 and so am I.

What are my chances if anyone has ever taken attacked a task force?

Mooncatt · 07-06-06, 08:50 AM

lucky you ive never seen a task force lol

HunterICX · 07-06-06, 08:54 AM

I've seen one...in 1939 2nd patrol they pass Ireland....an small escort with 2 big Revenge cruisers in it!...but ****load weather saved their asses

kiwi_2005 · 07-06-06, 09:14 AM

Yes, and your chances are good. Commanding an IXB July 1942 I attacked a task force in the bay of biscay a few days out from Lorient, in the BF grid. At first i thought it was a pair of merchants i got no radio message warning me of a taskforce in the area, so i gave chase, spotted a escort and dived, went deep, then the sonar started yelling of numerous warship contacts so knew this wasn't no merchant convoy as they were moving to fast,(15knots) later in the hunt i ordered periscope depth, raised the scope and spotted a carrier with 5 escorts surrounding her. I was in a lucky position - ahead of her so all i had to do was sit and wait. She went down with 4 torpedoes in her side. hehe.

In an earlier career commanding a VIIC I managed to attack a taskforce with one Nelson BB and one small carrier, cruising just outside of gibralter heading west and moving fast, but I only managed to damaging the Nelson still she sailed away like nothing happen. Had to dive deep and make my escape there was no hope of chasing her.

kiwi_2005 · 07-06-06, 09:15 AM

Whoops i clicked on it twice, so deleted this one.

Threadfin · 07-06-06, 09:16 AM

In my SH3 careers I've sunk around 30 battleships, maybe half that many cruisers. A few were in ports, but most were at sea. I've not sunk a fleet carrier at sea, but have sunk alot of jeep carriers. I use manual targeting, but it's not so hard because I know the exact speed of the task forces at sea. The difficulty lies in positioning, the shot itself isn't so hard because of the predictability of the target.

If your target is doing 14kts (indicated by the report) it is a carrier, probably a jeep carrier.

Keelbuster · 07-06-06, 10:05 AM

Attacking TFs is my favourite part of the game. I try to intercept every TF radio report I get, if it's even remotely possible (this includes screaming across Biscay at flank to catch a TF going south to gibraltar). All tonnage scores aside, I'm happy with a patrol if it involves attacking a TF. I love the shock of discovering too many BBs to attack (i.e. two Nelsons and a Revenge).

As mentioned before, the really tricky thing is getting a fix on their course. I have to admit that I cheat a bit on this - even though i have map contact updates off, i can still find the exact position of a TF from a radio report by 'finding' the circle in that grid square with my mouse cursor. If I have a second radio contact with the same speed and general course, I assume it's a steady course and draw a line between the two readings. This can yield deadly accurate course info. Then I just get there, at maximum speed and lie in wait. My general strategy is to pick one target (the biggest) and make sure I kill or cripple it. Spreading your tubes over two targets tends to result in non-crippling damage. You only get one shot at most TFs, so it's gotta count. On the other hand, your TF is moving so slow that you could outflank it! Slow TFs can be disappointing - like a cruiser or something. One time in the med i found a TF that was doing about 15kts, and it consisted of 3 cruisers. I killed one in the first attack, flanked the TF, and killed the other two in the second attack.

The other nice thing about TFs is that they move so fast that their acoustic detection is poor (i think). So you can travel underwater faster without the same risk. Also, when your torps hit, the TF keeps screaming forward at high speed. If you turn against their direction right after you fire and get a little distance, the majority of the escorts will go too far past your initial position to pose a threat. It's just the rearguard you have to worry about.

TFs are the big candy in this game, for me.

Kb

VipertheSniper · 07-06-06, 10:30 AM

Later in the game (with RUB) going out from Bergen I've sunk an Illustrious nearly every patrol, got a bit boring tho...

This carreer I've already sunk 2 Nelsons, one in a daring attack, heavy seas, at 8000m+ with magnetic pistol, and one from perfect position inside the escort screen with G7a's

Threadfin · 07-06-06, 10:35 AM

BTW, you were asking about your chances (orginal poster).... I'd say a 14kt target is relatively easy to intercept, but as I mentioned the 14 kts makes me think hunter killer group around a Bogue. Ya never know with these characters. Some of the escorts are extremely skilled. I've been sunk every way you can be sunk in SH3, running aground, ramming, depth charge, hedgehog, air attack, well OK, never been sunk by gunfire. Anyway, I've probably been sunk by HK escorts more than anything else. Be careful!! If you have electrics you're better off. If you have steamers good luck!!

robj250 · 07-06-06, 10:55 AM

Well, I'll have to try and figure out where to intercept them, but I'll have to go flank speed to get ahead of them and lay in wait in a good position, I hope.

The waves are rough, so the job is going to be tough. It'll probably be a quick look between waves and fire.

I just hope it's deep enough to dive real deep after the attack which will probably be in grid BF16.

I'm not too good at using the tools to plot anything. I have trouble understanding steps 5, 6, and 7 of the "Hunt your Target" or whatever it was called.

Qairyl · 07-06-06, 01:47 PM

I've attacked one, but not "successfully." Ran into a pretty small one, off the coast of Portugal (that seems to be a good place for me to find large groupd that'll blow me up) 3 river escorts, 2 V&W's, a Clemson, and a Bogue. Sank everything but the Clemson before it rammed me and broke me in two.

IXC in early '43,

-Qairyl

andy_311 · 07-06-06, 01:48 PM

I took out a TF last nigt in grid BE63 it comprised of 4 C class dd's 2 BB's (Nelsons) and a Southampton class cruiser took most of them out I think 1 c class dd was left after i finished but had no torps left by the time I finished.

spork542 · 07-06-06, 02:30 PM

I'm going to attack a task force today. That is, once I load my save again. I got one hell of a task force and was there at the right place at the right time.

robj250 · 07-06-06, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spork542

I'm going to attack a task force today. That is, once I load my save again. I got one hell of a task force and was there at the right place at the right time.

Good luck to you spork. Do you have rough or calm sea, day or night?

spork542 · 07-06-06, 04:05 PM

Calm seas, daytime. See other thread for more info.

07-06-06, 08:40 AM	#1
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Enemy Task Force Has anyone ever successfully attacked an enemy task force? I have a VIIB fully upgraded with G7a torpedoes. It is night and the winds are 15 m/s July 5 1943. and I think I can intercept them (notified by radio message) they are doing 14 kts. They are in Grid BF19 and so am I. What are my chances if anyone has ever taken attacked a task force? Last edited by robj250; 07-06-06 at 08:45 AM.

07-06-06, 08:54 AM	#3
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I've seen one...in 1939 2nd patrol they pass Ireland....an small escort with 2 big Revenge cruisers in it!...but ****load weather saved their asses __________________

07-06-06, 09:14 AM	#4
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Yes, and your chances are good. Commanding an IXB July 1942 I attacked a task force in the bay of biscay a few days out from Lorient, in the BF grid. At first i thought it was a pair of merchants i got no radio message warning me of a taskforce in the area, so i gave chase, spotted a escort and dived, went deep, then the sonar started yelling of numerous warship contacts so knew this wasn't no merchant convoy as they were moving to fast,(15knots) later in the hunt i ordered periscope depth, raised the scope and spotted a carrier with 5 escorts surrounding her. I was in a lucky position - ahead of her so all i had to do was sit and wait. She went down with 4 torpedoes in her side. hehe. In an earlier career commanding a VIIC I managed to attack a taskforce with one Nelson BB and one small carrier, cruising just outside of gibralter heading west and moving fast, but I only managed to damaging the Nelson still she sailed away like nothing happen. Had to dive deep and make my escape there was no hope of chasing her. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

07-06-06, 09:15 AM	#5
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Whoops i clicked on it twice, so deleted this one. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others. Last edited by kiwi_2005; 07-06-06 at 09:19 AM.

07-06-06, 09:16 AM	#6
Threadfin Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,163 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	In my SH3 careers I've sunk around 30 battleships, maybe half that many cruisers. A few were in ports, but most were at sea. I've not sunk a fleet carrier at sea, but have sunk alot of jeep carriers. I use manual targeting, but it's not so hard because I know the exact speed of the task forces at sea. The difficulty lies in positioning, the shot itself isn't so hard because of the predictability of the target. If your target is doing 14kts (indicated by the report) it is a carrier, probably a jeep carrier. __________________ What? Behind the rabbit? Last edited by Threadfin; 07-06-06 at 09:38 AM.

07-06-06, 08:50 AM	#2
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	lucky you ive never seen a task force lol

07-06-06, 10:05 AM	#7
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Attacking TFs is my favourite part of the game. I try to intercept every TF radio report I get, if it's even remotely possible (this includes screaming across Biscay at flank to catch a TF going south to gibraltar). All tonnage scores aside, I'm happy with a patrol if it involves attacking a TF. I love the shock of discovering too many BBs to attack (i.e. two Nelsons and a Revenge). As mentioned before, the really tricky thing is getting a fix on their course. I have to admit that I cheat a bit on this - even though i have map contact updates off, i can still find the exact position of a TF from a radio report by 'finding' the circle in that grid square with my mouse cursor. If I have a second radio contact with the same speed and general course, I assume it's a steady course and draw a line between the two readings. This can yield deadly accurate course info. Then I just get there, at maximum speed and lie in wait. My general strategy is to pick one target (the biggest) and make sure I kill or cripple it. Spreading your tubes over two targets tends to result in non-crippling damage. You only get one shot at most TFs, so it's gotta count. On the other hand, your TF is moving so slow that you could outflank it! Slow TFs can be disappointing - like a cruiser or something. One time in the med i found a TF that was doing about 15kts, and it consisted of 3 cruisers. I killed one in the first attack, flanked the TF, and killed the other two in the second attack. The other nice thing about TFs is that they move so fast that their acoustic detection is poor (i think). So you can travel underwater faster without the same risk. Also, when your torps hit, the TF keeps screaming forward at high speed. If you turn against their direction right after you fire and get a little distance, the majority of the escorts will go too far past your initial position to pose a threat. It's just the rearguard you have to worry about. TFs are the big candy in this game, for me. Kb __________________

07-06-06, 10:30 AM	#8
VipertheSniper Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austria Posts: 1,070 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Later in the game (with RUB) going out from Bergen I've sunk an Illustrious nearly every patrol, got a bit boring tho... This carreer I've already sunk 2 Nelsons, one in a daring attack, heavy seas, at 8000m+ with magnetic pistol, and one from perfect position inside the escort screen with G7a's

07-06-06, 10:35 AM	#9
Threadfin Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,163 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	BTW, you were asking about your chances (orginal poster).... I'd say a 14kt target is relatively easy to intercept, but as I mentioned the 14 kts makes me think hunter killer group around a Bogue. Ya never know with these characters. Some of the escorts are extremely skilled. I've been sunk every way you can be sunk in SH3, running aground, ramming, depth charge, hedgehog, air attack, well OK, never been sunk by gunfire. Anyway, I've probably been sunk by HK escorts more than anything else. Be careful!! If you have electrics you're better off. If you have steamers good luck!! __________________ What? Behind the rabbit?

07-06-06, 10:55 AM	#10
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Well, I'll have to try and figure out where to intercept them, but I'll have to go flank speed to get ahead of them and lay in wait in a good position, I hope. The waves are rough, so the job is going to be tough. It'll probably be a quick look between waves and fire. I just hope it's deep enough to dive real deep after the attack which will probably be in grid BF16. I'm not too good at using the tools to plot anything. I have trouble understanding steps 5, 6, and 7 of the "Hunt your Target" or whatever it was called. Last edited by robj250; 07-06-06 at 11:07 AM.

07-06-06, 01:47 PM	#11
Qairyl Bosun Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 66 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I've attacked one, but not "successfully." Ran into a pretty small one, off the coast of Portugal (that seems to be a good place for me to find large groupd that'll blow me up) 3 river escorts, 2 V&W's, a Clemson, and a Bogue. Sank everything but the Clemson before it rammed me and broke me in two. IXC in early '43, -Qairyl

07-06-06, 01:48 PM	#12
andy_311 The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oldham, Lancs,England Posts: 1,312 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	I took out a TF last nigt in grid BE63 it comprised of 4 C class dd's 2 BB's (Nelsons) and a Southampton class cruiser took most of them out I think 1 c class dd was left after i finished but had no torps left by the time I finished.

07-06-06, 02:30 PM	#13
spork542 Chief Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 328 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	I'm going to attack a task force today. That is, once I load my save again. I got one hell of a task force and was there at the right place at the right time.

07-06-06, 04:05 PM	#15
spork542 Chief Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 328 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Calm seas, daytime. See other thread for more info.