Bad losers, forgetting good sportsmanship

[Skybird]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...na/5135996.stm

Comments in Germany on those scenes were very angry and without the smallest understanding or sympathy. Unfortunately not the first time that the Argentinians show poor control of their temper. I vaguely remember to have seen such scenes repeatedly I the last twenty years or so. This time they escalated it so far that a player that even never was on the pitch was given the red.

[Skybird]

Again, wrong forum. Sorry. Mods please move it.

[Skybird]

It becomes even worse. German TV news just has reported that peaceful German viewers in the Goethe-institute in Buenos Aires have been attacked after the match. Also the general mood in Argentinia is reported that the Germans have bribed the referee, that they put pressure in Fifa, and that in no way the German team would have been able to defeat their damn team without help from outside. But we did, and Argentina is out and I say with that bad attitude of theirs they already survived too long in that tournament.

Never liked Argentina's teams and their ridiculous Maradona-cult. I admit they are strong, but their attitude towards fairness and sportsmanship too often is a mess. This very bad display of misbehavior, unfairness and unsportsmanship this time on a team level, a media level and a national level again reminds me of why I do not like their teams. Glad they have bitten the dust.

Argentien zu Gast bei Siegern!

[goldorak]

Skybird, I understand your enthusiasm for Germany victory over Argentina but lets keep the facts straight ok ?
It is a well known and accepted fact that the host country is always favored by referees decisions.
Teams that play aginst the host country know this and accept it.
That is why during the match many decisions that could have gone either way, the referee decided to advantage the Germans instead of the Argentinians.
Now, at one moment, the Argentinians requested a penalty kick and it was justified, but mystery of the mysteries the german broadcasting didn't show the replay on tv.
And you want to know why ?
Becasue the replay showed clearly that the Argentinians had a valid point and should have gotten the penalty.
Now if the match finished 3-0, etc... biased referees decisions wouldn't have altered the final outcome.
As it stands Germany was incapable of winning over Argentina, and decided to take it to the penalty shootout after 120 min.
In this case the refuted penalty kick for Argentina effectively awarded the match to Germany.
So it is clear that after the match the Argentinians were "not so fair play with the Germans".
This doesn't excuse them for the brawl on the field but i understand it and it can be justified.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Skybird, I understand your enthusiasm for Germany victory over Argentina but lets keep the facts straight ok ?
It is a well known and accepted fact that the host country is always favored by referees decisions.
Teams that play aginst the host country know this and accept it.
That is why during the match many decisions that could have gone either way, the referee decided to advantage the Germans instead of the Argentinians.
Now, at one moment, the Argentinians requested a penalty kick and it was justified, but mystery of the mysteries the german broadcasting didn't show the replay on tv.
And you want to know why ?
Because the replay showed clearly that the Argentinians had a valid point and should have gotten the penalty.
Now if the match finished 3-0, etc... biased referees decisions wouldn't have altered the final outcome.
As it stands Germany was incapable of winning over Argentina, and decided to take it to the penalty shootout after 120 min.
In this case the refuted penalty kick for Argentina effectively awarded the match to Germany.
So it is clear that after the match the Argentinians were "not so fair play with the Germans".
This doesn't excuse them for the brawl on the field but i understand it and it can be justified.

Your facts, it seems.

I do not share the general criticism of refs at this tournament, no matter if the Germans played or not. some matches had bad refs (Ivanov put himself under pressure, and still oversaw too much in that POR-HOL massacre they had, and the guy doing BRA vs France did a good job i general, but again oversaw a red and a penalty kick versus ARG, and another freekick for the French. But most of those that I saw were really good refs. keeping it tight when they were in risk of loosing control of the match, giving room when the teams were more relaxed. And to call it a well-known "fact" that referees do their job in favour of the host is more than I accept, in any tournament, and so for yesterday as well. I also reject your accusation that the ref made "many decisions thatcould have go "both ways" to go for the germans. Being amazed by our team does not mean that I am blind to anything that is not pro the German team. Argentia is a lousy looser. If they were so much supeprior then I wonder why they did not manage to fight them germans down. The simple answer is: obviously the German team was strong enough not to allow that. Be a bit more cautiuos about calling "facts" and what is "clear" and "obvious".I assume if Italy eventually should happen to loose the next match, which I see as a 50:50 affair, it again will be the refs.Accusing someone withoiut clues, hints and evidence of having bribed referees and having bribed all FIFA and then claim with a big mouth that under normal conditions it is rightout impossible and unthinkable that one's own game could loose against this or that corrupt dwarf simply is one thing : arrogant to the max. If non-hooligan-fans of ARG attack guests in their country that are also non-hooligans, because the match found the "wrong" outcome, also is unacceptable. We do not talk about hooligans. And that a player from the bench who never had seen action in that match after the end jumps off, runs to a German and kick him down, and then kick him again even into the genital area, while others attack the German team manager who tried to separate both sides without kicking and beating himself, is an unexcusable loss of control of one's drunk-for-victory temper.Like Maradona was lethally offended when not being voted as best footballer of this or that, and Pele won - he stood up and left the room, in stead of doing what would have been the only appropriate way to do: shake hands and say Congratulations. Maradonna may have been a good football player (but decided one world cup final by unfair betraying and then claimed that to be an intention of God), but as a human character, he is a nil. So was the after-match-performance of several Argentinians on Friday.If football fanatism leads to such arrogance and unfairness and offending behavior, then I will always apploaude the other team, no matter which one it is.

[goldorak]

Skybird, you are completely blinded by your rooting of Germany.
Unfortunately for your team Italy will obliterate Germany in the semifinals (bissing the famous Italy-Germany 1970).
Prepare yourself for a great delusion.

[sergbuto]

Somehow missed the thread.

Originally Posted by Skybird

It becomes even worse. German TV news just has reported that peaceful German viewers in the Goethe-institute in Buenos Aires have been attacked after the match. Also the general mood in Argentinia is reported that the Germans have bribed the referee, that they put pressure in Fifa, and that in no way the German team would have been able to defeat their damn team without help from outside. But we did, and Argentina is out and I say with that bad attitude of theirs they already survived too long in that tournament.

Surely, Germany won with the help of referee who did not give a penalty kick.

As to incident after the match, it is another matter and surely can't be approved.