SUBSIM Radio Room Forums



SUBSIM: The Web's #1 resource for all submarine & naval simulations since 1997

Go Back   SUBSIM Radio Room Forums > General > General Topics
Forget password? Reset here

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-21-06, 01:24 PM   #1
SUBMAN1
Rear Admiral
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 11,866
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default Test Tube Meat Nears Dinner Table

MMMMmmmm! Yummm!


-S

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/1,71201-0.html

Quote:
By Lakshmi Sandhana| Also by this reporter
02:00 AM Jun, 21, 2006
What if the next burger you ate was created in a warm, nutrient-enriched soup swirling within a bioreactor?

Edible, lab-grown ground chuck that smells and tastes just like the real thing might take a place next to Quorn at supermarkets in just a few years, thanks to some determined meat researchers. Scientists routinely grow small quantities of muscle cells in petri dishes for experiments, but now for the first time a concentrated effort is under way to mass-produce meat in this manner.

Henk Haagsman, a professor of meat sciences at Utrecht University, and his Dutch colleagues are working on growing artificial pork meat out of pig stem cells. They hope to grow a form of minced meat suitable for burgers, sausages and pizza toppings within the next few years.

Currently involved in identifying the type of stem cells that will multiply the most to create larger quantities of meat within a bioreactor, the team hopes to have concrete results by 2009. The 2 million euro ($2.5 million) Dutch-government-funded project began in April 2005. The work is one arm of a worldwide research effort focused on growing meat from cell cultures on an industrial scale.

"All of the technology exists today to make ground meat products in vitro," says Paul Kosnik, vice president of engineering at Tissue Genesis in Hawaii. Kosnik is growing scaffold-free, self-assembled muscle. "We believe the goal of a processed meat product is attainable in the next five years if funding is available and the R&D is pursued aggressively."

A single cell could theoretically produce enough meat to feed the world's population for a year. But the challenge lies in figuring out how to grow it on a large scale. Jason Matheny, a University of Maryland doctoral student and a director of New Harvest, a nonprofit organization that funds research on in vitro meat, believes the easiest way to create edible tissue is to grow "meat sheets," which are layers of animal muscle and fat cells stretched out over large flat sheets made of either edible or removable material. The meat can then be ground up or stacked or rolled to get a thicker cut.

"You'd need a bunch of industrial-size bioreactors," says Matheny. "One to produce the growth media, one to produce cells, and one that produces the meat sheets. The whole operation could be under one roof."

The advantage, he says, is you avoid the inefficiencies and bottlenecks of conventional meat production. No more feed grain production and processing, breeders, hatcheries, grow-out, slaughter or processing facilities.

"To produce the meat we eat now, 75 (percent) to 95 percent of what we feed an animal is lost because of metabolism and inedible structures like skeleton or neurological tissue," says Matheny. "With cultured meat, there's no body to support; you're only building the meat that eventually gets eaten."

The sheets would be less than 1 mm thick and take a few weeks to grow. But the real issue is the expense. If cultivated with nutrient solutions that are currently used for biomedical applications, the cost of producing one pound of in vitro meat runs anywhere from $1,000 to $10,000.

Matheny believes in vitro meat can compete with conventional meat by using nutrients from plant or fungal sources, which could bring the cost down to about $1 per pound.
If successful, artificially grown meat could be tailored to be far healthier than any type of farm-grown meat. It's possible to stuff if full of heart-friendly omega-3 fatty acids, adjust the protein or texture to suit individual taste preferences and screen it for food-borne diseases.

But will it really catch on? The Food and Drug Administration has already barred food products involving cloned animals from the market until their safety has been tested. There's also the yuck factor.

"Cultured meat isn't natural, but neither is yogurt," says Matheny. "And neither, for that matter, is most of the meat we eat. Cramming 10,000 chickens in a metal shed and dosing them full of antibiotics isn't natural. I view cultured meat like hydroponic vegetables. The end product is the same, but the process used to make it is different. Consumers accept hydroponic vegetables. Would they accept hydroponic meat?"

Taste is another unknown variable. Real meat is more than just cells; it has blood vessels, connective tissue, fat, etc. To get a similar arrangement of cells, lab-grown meat will have to be exercised and stretched the way a real live animal's flesh would.
Kosnik is working on a way to create muscle grown without scaffolds by culturing the right combination of cells in a 3-D environment with mechanical anchors so that the cells develop into long fibers similar to real muscle.

The technology to grow a juicy steak, however, is still a decade or so away. No one has yet figured out how to grow blood vessels within tissue.
"In the meantime, we can use existing technologies to satisfy the demand for ground meat, which is about half of the meat we eat (and a $127 billion global market)," says Matheny.

Wired News: Contact Us | Advertising | Subscribe
We are translated daily into Korean and Japanese
© Copyright 2006, Lycos, Inc. Lycos is a registered trademark of Lycos, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

__________________

Last edited by SUBMAN1; 06-21-06 at 01:26 PM.
SUBMAN1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-06, 02:54 PM   #2
CB..
Ace of the Deep
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 1,278
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

Soylent green is people Soylent green is peeeeeeooooople
__________________
the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod-
and other SH3/SH2 stuff

http://www.ebort2.co.uk/


The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

W.B.Yeats
CB.. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-06, 03:02 PM   #3
Yahoshua
The Old Man
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,493
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

"Cultured meat isn't natural, but neither is yogurt"

This statement is just flat out WRONG. Yogurt is made from a cultured and aged milk, similar to the process of making cheese. And Hydroponics is a world apart from cultured meat. Vegetables naturally grow out of the ground. Hydroponics are an effort to do a better job of growing these plants using different methods to do so. However, meat doesn't simply grow out of the soil. It comes from a living oganism.

Potentially, this whole thing of growing cultured meat could also bring up a crowd that would be anti-farmer. A boon for domestic farmers of any nation.
__________________
Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua



Yahoshua is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-06, 04:05 PM   #4
STEED
Lucky Jack
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Down Town UK
Posts: 27,695
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 48


Quote:
Originally Posted by CB..
Soylent green is people Soylent green is people
:rotfl:

The Scoops are coming
We have run out of soylent green
__________________
Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017.

To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!
STEED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-06, 04:25 PM   #5
XabbaRus
Navy Seal
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 5,330
Downloads: 5
Uploads: 0


Default

That is just wrong. I love technology but I just feel it is going a bit too far. Maybe I have read too much sci-fi but I reckon it's going to come back and bite use in the arse big time.

I wonder how we would cope if the lights went out tomorrow?

That would be an interesting experiment, pull the plug one night with no warning. Only essential services, ie Hospitals and critical data records would keep power. but the rest...hmmm, would FU the economy a little, but only a short stoppage, about 12 hours...Then again I am a sick bstard sometimes.
__________________
XabbaRus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-06, 02:17 AM   #6
The Avon Lady
Über Mom
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Jerusalem, Israel
Posts: 6,147
Downloads: 5
Uploads: 0
Default

Is it kosher? :hmm:
__________________


"Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women."
- Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974
The Avon Lady is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-06, 03:07 AM   #7
joea
Silent Hunter
 
joea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva
Posts: 3,512
Downloads: 25
Uploads: 0
Will never eat that.
joea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-06, 04:33 AM   #8
STEED
Lucky Jack
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Down Town UK
Posts: 27,695
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 48


Quote:
Originally Posted by XabbaRus
I wonder how we would cope if the lights went out tomorrow?
Crap your self would be high up on the list. :p
__________________
Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017.

To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!
STEED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-06, 04:43 AM   #9
Spoon 11th
Seasoned Skipper
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Finland
Posts: 689
Downloads: 10
Uploads: 0
Default

This is the best thing ever. It will free up huge spaces of land for other uses and the nutritional quality of meat can be manufactured to be far superior compared to the traditional method. Bye bye mad cow risk.
Spoon 11th is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-06, 05:06 AM   #10
Khayman
Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Scotland
Posts: 258
Downloads: 2
Uploads: 0
Default

No fat? Fat is flavour! No blood, so no black puddings? Anyway who'd have a burger without blood and juices oozing out. Plus any decent burger has to contain fat or it's dry and tasteless. It'll end up being so full of additives to make it taste "real" that it will be unhealthier than the real thing.
Khayman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-06, 05:32 AM   #11
CB..
Ace of the Deep
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 1,278
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by STEED
Quote:
Originally Posted by XabbaRus
I wonder how we would cope if the lights went out tomorrow?
Crap your self would be high up on the list. :p


Soylent Green had that one covered too..the old push bike generator in the living room trick--Go.. Edward G Robinson... go...

reckon Old science fiction stories should be compulsory reading in all schools -

reckon they ought to genitically create some sort of life form that strips the carbon out of the atmopshere and turns it into healthy oxygen...that might help prevent the agricultural land being gradually turned into barren desert or arctic wasteland--

oh hang on ...we could allways just enforce the planting of huge tracts of forests..nah not fancy enough-far too liberal and wishy washy that concretely reliable soloution..-the human race is fixated on technology when the answer is often just to do the obvious and easy thing--it really is
scary..
__________________
the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod-
and other SH3/SH2 stuff

http://www.ebort2.co.uk/


The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

W.B.Yeats

Last edited by CB..; 06-22-06 at 05:35 AM.
CB.. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-06, 06:00 AM   #12
STEED
Lucky Jack
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Down Town UK
Posts: 27,695
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 48


The world of Soylent Green is coming, yummy:p
__________________
Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017.

To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!
STEED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-06, 06:04 AM   #13
CB..
Ace of the Deep
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 1,278
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Fingers crossed we don't end up with "the Omega man" instead!!!
__________________
the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod-
and other SH3/SH2 stuff

http://www.ebort2.co.uk/


The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

W.B.Yeats
CB.. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-06, 06:11 AM   #14
STEED
Lucky Jack
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Down Town UK
Posts: 27,695
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 48




WHAT A GREAT OPENING (THE OMEGA MAN) HAD.
__________________
Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017.

To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!
STEED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-06, 06:21 AM   #15
CB..
Ace of the Deep
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 1,278
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0

Soylent green and the Omega man are two of my all time favourite movies...hotly persued by the original version of Rollerball!!
the final close up of James Caan's face in Rollerball is unforgettable

magnificent visions of an all to possible future
(some might say present)

THX1138 is another one..the scenes showing huge vis screen in folks apartments constantly showing a chromed robot policeman clubbing an old lady to death reminds me so strongly of channel 4's "Big Brother" series that i cannot bring my self to watch BB at all ...thank goodness..
__________________
the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod-
and other SH3/SH2 stuff

http://www.ebort2.co.uk/


The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

W.B.Yeats
CB.. is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2025 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.