NYGM 2.0 rocks but...

r_wagner · 06-09-06, 05:59 AM

There's been a discussion about this for a while in the mods forum. I, and a few others from what I can gather have been experiencing watch crew problems with nygm2 in that they don't spot enemy ships until they're up real close. Usually the enemy ship has to attack before it is spotted...

So my question is this: Of those of you that are running nygm2, how many are NOT experiencing this little bug? I am curious about your setup (did you do a full uninstall prior to installing nygm etc.) and which other mods are being run simultaneously. Also, if you're using sh3commander... what settings do you run there?

Thanks

Taurolas · 06-09-06, 06:31 AM

Hi

So far the watch crew in NYGM 2 have been ok in spotting ships at ranges upto 12km iirc... the only prob i do seem to be having is that they are reporting spotting the same ship several times!, sometimes this has been as many as 10 times in 30 seconds which when it happened the 1st time was quite alarming as i thought i'd been ambushed by 10 destroyers

luckily a quick sweep of the horizon with the periscope brought my heart rate back to normal

Clean install
NYGM 2
and a few of the other mods packaged with it (1500m etc)
Oh and if anybody else has noticed this one of those compass images is upside down (cant remember which one)

r_wagner · 06-09-06, 06:36 AM

Thanks for the reply!

Cheerio

don1reed · 06-09-06, 06:52 AM

I've gone to the bridge after surfacing and scanned the horizon and saw smoke and the tops of ships...when I clicked on the WO, he THEN gives me range. Never a hint of the ship, however.

...also, I've torpedoed ships and never see the detonation plume, just the disturbance in the water.

CCIP · 06-09-06, 10:32 AM

I don't think this is strictly related to NYGM, although you might notice some differences in the way it occurs due to the fact that NYGM reshuffles the conditions for detection. Still, I've seen this kind of behaviour occasionally even with the default game.

don1reed · 06-09-06, 12:23 PM

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Still, I've seen this kind of behaviour occasionally even with the default game.

It's a first for me...but, just started after loading TW2...I can live with it

caspofungin · 06-09-06, 12:33 PM

in testing, turning the detection time to 0 reduces much of the chance factor and variable involved in detection by various sensors. give it a try in the .cfg files.

Salvadoreno · 06-09-06, 04:34 PM

Im having terrible experiecnes spotting ships. My crew just cannot spot ships past 8kms.. But everything will be fixed soon, NYGM Modders are comming out witha fix!

Der Teddy Bar · 06-09-06, 05:41 PM

Guys,
Thanks for the feedback and we are looking very hard into how to best balance out the more realistic improvements to the enemy visual abilities.

NYGM have not yet modded the u-boat visual.

I will state that in my current in game testing of the U-boat visuals, that my u-boat spots escorts no differently than previously. During the day I am spotting escorts at ranges from over the horizon to about 7000, possibly a fraction lower.

BUT... I am incurring more instances where the escort has spotted me before my crew have spotted him. This should not be the case.

This is my interpretation of what is happening before.
Previously an escort was essentially blind at distances over 3000 metres when travelling along. Because of this, an escort could come into your zone of detection; he could sail around up and down closer and further just as long as he stayed far enough away nothing would happen.

The escort could have, and most likely did, spend a lot of time within your detection zone before detection. That is, even though you detected the escort when he was on the horizon, the escort had been in out detection zone for 10 minutes.

This is my interpretation of what is happening now.
On a perfect day the escort can now see your u-boat bow on at approx 3000+ and side on at approx 8000+. This is a calm day, 0mps, no clouds, sunny....

Where as previously the escort would sail up and down in and out without detecting you, up until you detected him, he is now detecting you because he can see further.

As like the Crash Dive Blues, NYGM's modifications have exposed a standard SHIII behaviour that was either not an issue as it had been managed.

Having spent that last 4 days going over the U-boat visual sensor, I have come to the conclusion that the u-boat AI has no day/night differences and for all intensive purposed, the U-boat visual options in the sensors,cfg are operationally impaired.

I am releasing an interim patch to re-establish the balance between the u-boat and the enemy detection abilities. This patch simply reduces the required surface area required to detect an enemy ship.

This update changes the detection by your u-boat crew of an escort coming at you bow on from 8700 metres up to over 13,000 metres.

The update is here http://www.filefactory.com/?1ed0b0

The main menu will now read NYGM Tonnage War v2.01

Again, thankyou for your feedback and your support

r_wagner · 06-10-06, 05:48 AM

Super! I am trying it as we speak and I'll let you know how it goes.

Drebbel · 06-10-06, 06:05 AM

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The main menu will now read NYGM Tonnage War v2.01

\Does the 2.01 version also include the Scope Tower Fix ?

Gizzmoe · 06-10-06, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Drebbel

Does the 2.01 version also include the Scope Tower Fix ?

No.

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Der Teddy Bar · 06-10-06, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Drebbel

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The main menu will now read NYGM Tonnage War v2.01

\Does the 2.01 version also include the Scope Tower Fix ?

We are saving it for a 2.1 update :rotfl:

Drebbel · 06-10-06, 10:26 AM

Strange, so people can still D/L the old 2.0 versin without these fixes ?

Why ?

Seminole · 06-10-06, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Drebbel

Strange, so people can still D/L the old 2.0 versin without these fixes ?

Why ?

Very good question!

In fact what all do we need to DL in addition to 2.0?

(for all of us that have not had time to read all the threads yet)

06-09-06, 05:59 AM	#1
r_wagner Mate Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 52 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	NYGM 2.0 rocks but... There's been a discussion about this for a while in the mods forum. I, and a few others from what I can gather have been experiencing watch crew problems with nygm2 in that they don't spot enemy ships until they're up real close. Usually the enemy ship has to attack before it is spotted... So my question is this: Of those of you that are running nygm2, how many are NOT experiencing this little bug? I am curious about your setup (did you do a full uninstall prior to installing nygm etc.) and which other mods are being run simultaneously. Also, if you're using sh3commander... what settings do you run there? Thanks

06-09-06, 06:31 AM	#2
Taurolas Medic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Notts UK Posts: 163 Downloads: 167 Uploads: 0	Hi So far the watch crew in NYGM 2 have been ok in spotting ships at ranges upto 12km iirc... the only prob i do seem to be having is that they are reporting spotting the same ship several times!, sometimes this has been as many as 10 times in 30 seconds which when it happened the 1st time was quite alarming as i thought i'd been ambushed by 10 destroyers luckily a quick sweep of the horizon with the periscope brought my heart rate back to normal Clean install NYGM 2 and a few of the other mods packaged with it (1500m etc) Oh and if anybody else has noticed this one of those compass images is upside down (cant remember which one) Last edited by Taurolas; 06-09-06 at 06:39 AM.

06-09-06, 06:52 AM	#4
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	I've gone to the bridge after surfacing and scanned the horizon and saw smoke and the tops of ships...when I clicked on the WO, he THEN gives me range. Never a hint of the ship, however. ...also, I've torpedoed ships and never see the detonation plume, just the disturbance in the water. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

06-09-06, 10:32 AM	#5
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I don't think this is strictly related to NYGM, although you might notice some differences in the way it occurs due to the fact that NYGM reshuffles the conditions for detection. Still, I've seen this kind of behaviour occasionally even with the default game. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

06-09-06, 04:34 PM	#8
Salvadoreno Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 887 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	Im having terrible experiecnes spotting ships. My crew just cannot spot ships past 8kms.. But everything will be fixed soon, NYGM Modders are comming out witha fix! __________________

06-09-06, 06:36 AM	#3
r_wagner Mate Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 52 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the reply! Cheerio

06-09-06, 12:33 PM	#7
caspofungin Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	in testing, turning the detection time to 0 reduces much of the chance factor and variable involved in detection by various sensors. give it a try in the .cfg files.

06-09-06, 05:41 PM	#9
Der Teddy Bar Blade Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,388 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Guys, Thanks for the feedback and we are looking very hard into how to best balance out the more realistic improvements to the enemy visual abilities. NYGM have not yet modded the u-boat visual. I will state that in my current in game testing of the U-boat visuals, that my u-boat spots escorts no differently than previously. During the day I am spotting escorts at ranges from over the horizon to about 7000, possibly a fraction lower. BUT... I am incurring more instances where the escort has spotted me before my crew have spotted him. This should not be the case. This is my interpretation of what is happening before. Previously an escort was essentially blind at distances over 3000 metres when travelling along. Because of this, an escort could come into your zone of detection; he could sail around up and down closer and further just as long as he stayed far enough away nothing would happen. The escort could have, and most likely did, spend a lot of time within your detection zone before detection. That is, even though you detected the escort when he was on the horizon, the escort had been in out detection zone for 10 minutes. This is my interpretation of what is happening now. On a perfect day the escort can now see your u-boat bow on at approx 3000+ and side on at approx 8000+. This is a calm day, 0mps, no clouds, sunny.... Where as previously the escort would sail up and down in and out without detecting you, up until you detected him, he is now detecting you because he can see further. As like the Crash Dive Blues, NYGM's modifications have exposed a standard SHIII behaviour that was either not an issue as it had been managed. Having spent that last 4 days going over the U-boat visual sensor, I have come to the conclusion that the u-boat AI has no day/night differences and for all intensive purposed, the U-boat visual options in the sensors,cfg are operationally impaired. I am releasing an interim patch to re-establish the balance between the u-boat and the enemy detection abilities. This patch simply reduces the required surface area required to detect an enemy ship. This update changes the detection by your u-boat crew of an escort coming at you bow on from 8700 metres up to over 13,000 metres. The update is here http://www.filefactory.com/?1ed0b0 The main menu will now read NYGM Tonnage War v2.01 Again, thankyou for your feedback and your support

06-10-06, 05:48 AM	#10
r_wagner Mate Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 52 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Super! I am trying it as we speak and I'll let you know how it goes.

06-10-06, 10:26 AM	#14
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Strange, so people can still D/L the old 2.0 versin without these fixes ? Why ?