M10, M14 - M6 detonation malfunctions

Rose · 05-28-06, 03:18 PM

SHIV needs to include the dismal failure of the M14/M6 torpedo. THere were three major malfunctions: the fish ran about 10 feet deeper than depth setting, the M6 detonator exploded prematurely WAY too much, and there were an obscene amount of duds. Not until Dec. '43 was the M14 perfected. I think if SHIV included these problems, it would greatly add to the realism.

05-28-06, 03:36 PM

I agree. One of my disappointments in SHIII is that the similar torpedo problems the Germans suffered is much diluted in the game.

DeepSix · 05-28-06, 06:15 PM

I'd like it if the Mark XIV problems were corrected in stages - as they were historically. Have the option to disable the magnetic exploder first, then a few months later get improved magnetic exploders only to discover that the contact exploder is still faulty, etc.

The Mark XIV was probably the single worst weapon ever fielded (well, except for that French machine gun we were issued in WWI) by the U.S. until its multiple failures got sorted out. That didn't happen overnight or all at once, so yeah I'd like to see faulty torpedoes, too, as well as a fairly realistic period of time for improving them.

Torplexed · 05-28-06, 07:30 PM

Of course I can already hear the chorus of complaints about all the #@*% duds from the first-person shooter types who know diddly about USN submarine operations in WW2....but just wanna sink things.

don1reed · 05-28-06, 08:13 PM

fwiw: Some years ago, I picked up a 4 vhs set from the history channel re The Silent Service
The Torpedoes of WWII
The Captains of WWII
The Boats of WWII
& The Attack plans of WWII

narrated by Roger Mudd...great stuff. donno if it's still available; but, the torpedo problems of deep runners, magnetic influence detonators, and impact detonators ran submariners ragged for two years. It was truely a harrowing story.

I've run these things to where almost all the emulsion is rubbed off the tapes

we're all getting old.

Rose · 05-29-06, 11:57 AM

1. What happened if a ships' draft was shallower than 11 feet? (I guess they'd use the deck gun for that small of a ship?)

2. Why the hell didn't skippers just revert to the old Mark 10s till the 14s were sorted out?

And 3. How in God's name did "Mush" Morton on his epic first patrol manage to acheive such a great torpedo success rate considering the malfunctions of the 14s of that time?

05-28-06, 03:18 PM	#1
Rose Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 966 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	M10, M14 - M6 detonation malfunctions SHIV needs to include the dismal failure of the M14/M6 torpedo. THere were three major malfunctions: the fish ran about 10 feet deeper than depth setting, the M6 detonator exploded prematurely WAY too much, and there were an obscene amount of duds. Not until Dec. '43 was the M14 perfected. I think if SHIV included these problems, it would greatly add to the realism.

05-28-06, 06:15 PM	#3
DeepSix Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Music City Posts: 683 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I'd like it if the Mark XIV problems were corrected in stages - as they were historically. Have the option to disable the magnetic exploder first, then a few months later get improved magnetic exploders only to discover that the contact exploder is still faulty, etc. The Mark XIV was probably the single worst weapon ever fielded (well, except for that French machine gun we were issued in WWI) by the U.S. until its multiple failures got sorted out. That didn't happen overnight or all at once, so yeah I'd like to see faulty torpedoes, too, as well as a fairly realistic period of time for improving them. __________________ Jack's happy days will soon be gone, To return again, oh never! For they've raised his pay five cents a day, But they've stopped his grog forever. For tonight we'll merry, merry be, For tonight we'll merry, merry be, For tonight we'll merry, merry be, But tomorrow we'll be sober. - "Farewell to Grog"

05-28-06, 07:30 PM	#4
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Of course I can already hear the chorus of complaints about all the #@*% duds from the first-person shooter types who know diddly about USN submarine operations in WW2....but just wanna sink things. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

05-28-06, 08:13 PM	#5
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	fwiw: Some years ago, I picked up a 4 vhs set from the history channel re The Silent Service The Torpedoes of WWII The Captains of WWII The Boats of WWII & The Attack plans of WWII narrated by Roger Mudd...great stuff. donno if it's still available; but, the torpedo problems of deep runners, magnetic influence detonators, and impact detonators ran submariners ragged for two years. It was truely a harrowing story. I've run these things to where almost all the emulsion is rubbed off the tapes we're all getting old. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

05-28-06, 03:36 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I agree. One of my disappointments in SHIII is that the similar torpedo problems the Germans suffered is much diluted in the game.

05-29-06, 11:57 AM	#6
Rose Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 966 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	1. What happened if a ships' draft was shallower than 11 feet? (I guess they'd use the deck gun for that small of a ship?) 2. Why the hell didn't skippers just revert to the old Mark 10s till the 14s were sorted out? And 3. How in God's name did "Mush" Morton on his epic first patrol manage to acheive such a great torpedo success rate considering the malfunctions of the 14s of that time?