frigate taskforce

cobalt · 07-12-06, 12:11 PM

i met a task force of black swans less than 200km W of brest last afternoon, surprised the crap out of me. anyone else see these differant types of TFs?

Wulfmann · 07-12-06, 12:18 PM

That is not a task force. It is a hunter killer group looking for you. Best to turn away silently and go very deep to be safe!

Wulfmann

cobalt · 07-12-06, 12:38 PM

well a hunter killer group is still TF by definition. i just high tailed it out of there without them spotting me, it was kinda exciting seeing that though.

Hawk_308 · 07-12-06, 01:16 PM

Semi rough sea and late evening , ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK

. Send the allied a message that you will not be toyed with.

tycho102 · 07-12-06, 01:21 PM

It's a task force. There are battle-group task forces, and there are hunter task forces. The battle groups have battleship and carriers for surface attacks, and those are the ones that are scripted. I think there are also unscripted hunter task forces that just appear at random.

Puster Bill · 07-12-06, 02:10 PM

I had a TF of Clemsons and Hunts cross my bow once. I took out a Clemson, then went deep and quiet. They never found me

cobalt · 07-12-06, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawk_308

Semi rough sea and late evening , ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK

. Send the allied a message that you will not be toyed with.

had no torpedoes left

if only i had 5 falke torpedoes, hell would have broken loose.

Wulfmann · 07-12-06, 03:18 PM

I real life as well as by designation in SH3 they are Hunter Killer Groups and not Task Force groups but if you want to call them that it is your game and do what makes you happy.
I was just referring to historic reality, sometimes over rated!
Most (not all) TF are in the SCR and the Hunter Killer Groups are in the RND.

I once changed the torpedo load out in CFG so I had 3 T4s in the stern and one loaded and 2 reserves in the front. I took out all five in a Hunter Killer group (one by a fan of 2 T3s), wiped them all out. Then it occurred to me that was so unrealistic that I removed the bow T-4s (1944) and raised the renown cost extremely high so I could not have but one such fish ready in the stern.
Actually I can hit them fairly well with my T3s anyway.
What I do is wait for him to make a DC run from my stern. I stay at 14 meters so he can’t ram me and the DCs will go off at 20 so usually the damage is manageable. When he goes by I wait to see which way he will turn and as he gets close to a 90% angle with his side I set the fish so I can fire when he is 20% away from my aim point (he would be going fast). It is like hip shooting in a way just pick a setting for the fish and wait for him to get to -20% and fire. I have miscalculated, sure, it is a guess but I bag a lot of DDs with this technique and my percentage is as good as with homi fish

Wulfmann

Hawk_308 · 07-12-06, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cobalt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk_308

Semi rough sea and late evening , ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK

. Send the allied a message that you will not be toyed with.

had no torpedoes left

if only i had 5 falke torpedoes, hell would have broken loose.

You still had the deck gun , didnt you ?:hmm:

:rotfl:

andy_311 · 07-13-06, 05:07 AM

I actually got caught off guard with this HK group and had to choice but to take them out.

Threadfin · 07-13-06, 10:19 AM

Hunter killer groups have a carrier in them, I'd call this a task force. Or maybe just a killer group

bigboywooly · 07-13-06, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Threadfin

Hunter killer groups have a carrier in them, I'd call this a task force. Or maybe just a killer group

Historically speaking Britain didnt have enough carriers to be able to put a carrier in each Hunter\killer group

As convoy routes were defined and as was the frequency - with some variations - it was quite often the practice to sail Hunter\killer groups midway between 2 convoys to take over escort duties if needed - for refuelling purposes but more importantly to take over from the convoy escorts when a uboat was found thus allowing the convoy escorts to return to station

Threadfin · 07-13-06, 12:44 PM

As I understand they were called hunter-killer because aircraft would hunt the sub and ships would kill the sub (if the aircraft didn't do it outright). Without the aircraft you don't have the hunter part, as least as the name is intended. Ah well, can call them whatever one likes I suppose.

07-13-06, 02:37 PM

They're called Hunter-Killer groups because of the new tactic. Earlier destroyers would attack individually. With the H-K group they would spread out 1000 yards apart and sweep the area. Whichever one found the sub became the Hunter, slowing down to match the sub's speed and guiding the rest (the Killers) in for...well, the kill.

Carriers and aircraft were added later, when escort carriers started becoming available.

Seminole · 07-13-06, 02:45 PM

:hmm: All hunter killer groups are tasks forces but not all task forces are hunter killer groups.

07-12-06, 12:11 PM	#1
cobalt Commander Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 440 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	frigate taskforce i met a task force of black swans less than 200km W of brest last afternoon, surprised the crap out of me. anyone else see these differant types of TFs?

07-12-06, 12:18 PM	#2
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	That is not a task force. It is a hunter killer group looking for you. Best to turn away silently and go very deep to be safe! Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

07-12-06, 01:16 PM	#4
Hawk_308 Seaman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: SE,Va USA Posts: 34 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Semi rough sea and late evening , ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK . Send the allied a message that you will not be toyed with. __________________ U-69 Slowly damming the English channel one merchant at a time.

07-12-06, 01:21 PM	#5
tycho102 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,100 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It's a task force. There are battle-group task forces, and there are hunter task forces. The battle groups have battleship and carriers for surface attacks, and those are the ones that are scripted. I think there are also unscripted hunter task forces that just appear at random. __________________ My little Silent Hunter 4 repository

07-12-06, 02:10 PM	#6
Puster Bill Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: BA8758, or FN33eh for my fellow hams. Posts: 833 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I had a TF of Clemsons and Hunts cross my bow once. I took out a Clemson, then went deep and quiet. They never found me __________________ The U-Boat Commander of Love

07-12-06, 12:38 PM	#3
cobalt Commander Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 440 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	well a hunter killer group is still TF by definition. i just high tailed it out of there without them spotting me, it was kinda exciting seeing that though.

07-12-06, 03:18 PM	#8
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I real life as well as by designation in SH3 they are Hunter Killer Groups and not Task Force groups but if you want to call them that it is your game and do what makes you happy. I was just referring to historic reality, sometimes over rated! Most (not all) TF are in the SCR and the Hunter Killer Groups are in the RND. I once changed the torpedo load out in CFG so I had 3 T4s in the stern and one loaded and 2 reserves in the front. I took out all five in a Hunter Killer group (one by a fan of 2 T3s), wiped them all out. Then it occurred to me that was so unrealistic that I removed the bow T-4s (1944) and raised the renown cost extremely high so I could not have but one such fish ready in the stern. Actually I can hit them fairly well with my T3s anyway. What I do is wait for him to make a DC run from my stern. I stay at 14 meters so he can’t ram me and the DCs will go off at 20 so usually the damage is manageable. When he goes by I wait to see which way he will turn and as he gets close to a 90% angle with his side I set the fish so I can fire when he is 20% away from my aim point (he would be going fast). It is like hip shooting in a way just pick a setting for the fish and wait for him to get to -20% and fire. I have miscalculated, sure, it is a guess but I bag a lot of DDs with this technique and my percentage is as good as with homi fish Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

07-13-06, 05:07 AM	#10
andy_311 The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oldham, Lancs,England Posts: 1,312 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	I actually got caught off guard with this HK group and had to choice but to take them out.

07-13-06, 10:19 AM	#11
Threadfin Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,163 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hunter killer groups have a carrier in them, I'd call this a task force. Or maybe just a killer group __________________ What? Behind the rabbit?

07-13-06, 12:44 PM	#13
Threadfin Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,163 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	As I understand they were called hunter-killer because aircraft would hunt the sub and ships would kill the sub (if the aircraft didn't do it outright). Without the aircraft you don't have the hunter part, as least as the name is intended. Ah well, can call them whatever one likes I suppose. __________________ What? Behind the rabbit?

07-13-06, 02:37 PM	#14
Sailor Steve Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	They're called Hunter-Killer groups because of the new tactic. Earlier destroyers would attack individually. With the H-K group they would spread out 1000 yards apart and sweep the area. Whichever one found the sub became the Hunter, slowing down to match the sub's speed and guiding the rest (the Killers) in for...well, the kill. Carriers and aircraft were added later, when escort carriers started becoming available.

07-13-06, 02:45 PM	#15
Seminole Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,012 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	:hmm: All hunter killer groups are tasks forces but not all task forces are hunter killer groups.