Of cartoons, censorship, and hysteria

[Skybird]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4664408.stm

All this for a - cartoon...??? I said worse things about GWB - and I'm still alive, and unthreatend.

I wish there were pills against hysteria and unbalanced mindsets. Islam itself is lying about the image and understanding it has on the figure of Muhammad, Islam is not in correspondence with the historical biography of Muhammad, ignoring anything in his life and personality that could irritate Islam's intentions and self-definitions. So, their rage and critizism about that cartoon is - lying, and hypocritical, and a self-deception. Sometimes these types really kill my nerves.

[jumpy]

Ah! the time-honoured double standard! gotta love it....
How many times do we (in the west) have to listen to vitreolic arab bile concerning so many issues? (usually their bleeding heart) yet when it comes to their precious islam, all and sundry have to bow and scrape obesiance for fear of stirring up the rabble. Well, here's some of my own-

I have a suggestion: If you don't like freedom of the press and such like, then don't read those evil pig-dog newspapers and their western lies! then maybe you won't be so offended, allah be praised! Likewise if you want to live in a muslim comunity with your muslim laws and customs held as paramount and above all others, don't moan when you come and live in a 'foreign' country and discover that they don't pray to mecca 5 times a day... or that they have a more relaxed and humerous take on religion in general- take your damn bigoted, backwards proselytising elsewhere please.
I wonder what would happen to me if I were to invade the muslim council of brittain brandishing ak47's and high religious rhetoric, demanding appologies for the racist, inflamatory and hate filled words that have come from the out of the mouths of many prominent muslim figures over the years?
Time we start to kick those kind of people out of our countries and send them back to wherever they came from, safe in the knowlege that they'll be more content with their life when they get there and are surrounded by familiar bigotry and destitution, where the only real going concern is what to do about the village upstream that has been pissing in the river again while your women (subjugated yet revered) are trying to wash your clothes.

Maybe that's a bit strong (and in truth is not meant to be taken seriously and at face value at all) but if the west was anything even close to having the same high strung feelings towards many muslim states and organisations as they appear to have towards us, then we would have obliterarted them countless times over for their preceived misdeeds against our social order and moral and religious piety.

Finally I have this to say:
rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

oh dear, time for another pill

[Konovalov]

Earlier thread: http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=46794

[MadMike]

Here's a link to the cartoons in question-

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/698

Yours, Mike

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4664408.stm

All this for a - cartoon...??? I said worse things about GWB - and I'm still alive, and unthreatend.

Now you know why i tend to get irritated when people call Bush a terrorist.

Anyways here's some more pics of Muhammed for everyones viewing pleasure. Characterizing him is nothing new:

http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/

[McBeck]

Well im danish, and ....well...what can I say....
They just dont understand that the goverment CAN NOT tell a newspaper what to do

[TteFAboB]

I find the generalization interesting, the critics protest against Denmark in general, the Danish government and the Danish people.

This shows alot about how the critics view their own societies, they cannot understand a society without a King or a Bishop with absolute power.

[August]

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

I find the generalization interesting, the critics protest against Denmark in general, the Danish government and the Danish people.

Its now extended to the Norweigans and Swedes as well.

[Ahoy!]

A Norwegian christian newspaper printed the cartoons as well and yesterday they were burning Danish and Norwegian flags in Gaza. The so called "moderate" moslems in this country have also showed their ugly face, saying the editor who printed the cartoons must "expect" murder threats.
Our nation(s) have fought hard for freedom of speech and we will NEVER let us be dictaded by some medieval barbaric religion. It`s time our politicians show which side we`re on.

[Oberon]

That must be a lucrative market.

Flag making in the middle-east. :hmm:

[Type XXIII]

First of all, let me say that I strongly condemn the threats, the flag-burning and the diplomatic actions taken by Saudi-Arabia and Lybia. (Notice which powers that are reacting most fiercely to this issue, not Hamas in Palestine, Iran or Al Qaeda, which have received pepper in the past, but for instance Fatah, Saudi-Arabia and Lybia.)

Secondly let me point out the irony this. Some people (also within this thread) are accusing Islam in general, and muslims in general for generalization.

It is understandable that muslims dislike these drawings, as pictures of the Prophet are considered sacrilege within Islam. And, while the western world tends to take religion less seriously, it is common among muslims to take their religion very seriously.

Freedom of speech means that you have the right to say what you want, but not the duty. I think it is important to respect other cultures, and not offend them needlessly.

As I said, people tend to generalize, and let me point out that not all muslims have reacting with flag-burning and terror threats, consider this picture. It shows Danish muslims demonstrating against the pictures. The plakes read "Yes to dialog between civilizations and no to conflicts between civilizations", "To mock the prophet Mohammed is to mock more than 1.5 millions people" and "Yes to a freedom that unites and doesn't divide." Would any of you object to this demonstration? If you do, I won't hesitate to call you racist.

Also, I think the editor of the Norwegian Magazinet is a jerk. Standing up for Freedom of expression, indeed. He knew printing the cartoons would offend muslims yet still went ahead and did so.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Type XXIII

First of all, let me say that I strongly condemn the threats, the flag-burning and the diplomatic actions taken by Saudi-Arabia and Lybia. (Notice which powers that are reacting most fiercely to this issue, not Hamas in Palestine, Iran or Al Qaeda, which have received pepper in the past, but for instance Fatah, Saudi-Arabia and Lybia.)

Secondly let me point out the irony this. Some people (also within this thread) are accusing Islam in general, and muslims in general for generalization.

It is understandable that muslims dislike these drawings, as pictures of the Prophet are considered sacrilege within Islam. And, while the western world tends to take religion less seriously, it is common among muslims to take their religion very seriously.

Freedom of speech means that you have the right to say what you want, but not the duty. I think it is important to respect other cultures, and not offend them needlessly.

As I said, people tend to generalize, and let me point out that not all muslims have reacting with flag-burning and terror threats, consider this picture. It shows Danish muslims demonstrating against the pictures. The plakes read "Yes to dialog between civilizations and no to conflicts between civilizations", "To mock the prophet Mohammed is to mock more than 1.5 millions people" and "Yes to a freedom that unites and doesn't divide." Would any of you object to this demonstration? If you do, I won't hesitate to call you racist.

Also, I think the editor of the Norwegian Magazinet is a jerk. Standing up for Freedom of expression, indeed. He knew printing the cartoons would offend muslims yet still went ahead and did so.

Assuming you maybe also mean me with "generalizing people", I would urge you to use the search-button. There are several VERY long topics I have posted on Islam in recent months, and i have quite some background knowledge on it, and experience in Muslim countries. There is a whole load of reasons why I accuse Islam the way I do, but i do not intend to list them in repeating topics again and again. You can find it all when you search for it. Additionally to these long threads (that I started or participated in), I made these essays:

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/His...uranHadith.doc
http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/His..._1_Forword.doc

You are probably a well-meaning believer of the good in all men, and think if you want to know about Islam, you ask Islam and believe what it says without seeing the need to test what it says, and check if it is true and proven by it's behavior. that it may try to let itself shine in glory and remain silent about all the black spots it has in it's record maybe does not come to your mind. What Islam says that it is, is something very different than what it reveals about itself in it's history, AND in it's scriptures (which are filled with contradiction, lacking authenticity, and opportunism). well-meaning or not, your views must result in a highly biased and one-sided opinion in favour of Islam that way, ignorring all the contradictions that always have been part of it's highly expansive, militant and totalitarian identity. You also must miss that Islam may have intentions that are against your own intentions, so that it is hiding them from you and tells you the things you want to hear instead, that way making you opening the doors and gates in your home for it. There is no such thing as tolerant Islam. Their either is Islam, or tolerance, but not both, and I have illustrated that in many historical examples in past writings of mine. Where there is both, Muslims claim to be Muslims on the basis of a seriously flawed understanding. My understanding I base on the example set by Muhammad himself, and I don't mean the fiction that Islam has created around him, but the historical Muhammad.

the church was never in correspondence with Jesus' teachings, to the disadvantage of it's followers. but Islam is in correspondence with it's scriptures, and it is based on an imitation of a seriously distorted recognition of Muhammad. Again it is to people's disadvantage. If the church would be in correspondence with Jesus' teachings, and Islam would stop to be in correspondence with it's own tradition and scriptures, then this would be a benefit for all. But that way the church wouldn'T be the church anymore, and Islam wouldn'T be Islam. We only have the worst of both traditions, so the question is not about who is right, Islam or Christianity, but only: who is the strongest.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Oberon

That must be a lucrative market.

Flag making in the middle-east. :hmm:

Maybe their leaders are involved in that business...

[TLAM Strike]

We insulted their most fundamental belief with a cartoon and they insulted ours by suggesting we censor our freedom of speech and press. Now lets flush a few Korans to make up for the flag burning and the universe will be even. :hmm:

I’m glad Libya and the Saudis pulled their embassies, personally I wouldn’t want to talk to such people if this is how they react.

[Ahoy!]

Originally Posted by Oberon

That must be a lucrative market.

Flag making in the middle-east. :hmm:

They looked quite home made to me, you just gave me a business idea. Let them burn the "real thing", a welcome respite for Americans and Israelis
Ooops I forgot, they will boycott Norway and Denmark. Well, I gonna buy a LEGO set to my nephew and in the weekend I will eat Danish sausages and drink lovely Carlsberg beer.