More Kids Are Getting Anti-Psychotic Drugs

[STEED]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060317/...ric_drugs_kids

Is this a wise thing to do? It seems abit odd this one.

[SUBMAN1]

Problem is - Doctors can be sued for not perscribing anything! Welcome to your world.


-S

[Kapitan]

Kids who have ADHD are given a drug that has similar properties to cocaine, and they wonder why they become addicted

[TteFAboB]

Seems like we'll find out soon, won't we? :rotfl:

Nothing like a large open sample group to figure it out.

[mog]

ADD has got to be one of the most successful marketing ploys in history: make up some faux-disorder that gives parents an excuse for their child being lazy and unmotivated, and offer them a cure for a price.

Who knows what the long-term effects of these drugs are, but it's quite possible these kids will end up with a real psychological disorder instead of an invented one.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by mog

ADD has got to be one of the most successful marketing ploys in history: make up some faux-disorder that gives parents an excuse for their child being lazy and unmotivated, and offer them a cure for a price.

You're half right. There is definitely such a thing as ADHD but doctors too often go overboard to diagnose normal children as having ADHD.

There was a news article about this several months ago on Yahoo News but I can't find it now. Plenty of information on the Web about the trend to misdiagnose and over-prescribe.

[Skybird]

Illustrates the general trend towards "easy solutions for a simple life." first we had religious experiences. Then we went down to ethics and values, then we retreated to psychological techniques. Now we have pills. Next probably is wires in our brains. After that - exitus?

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Illustrates the general trend towards "easy solutions for a simple life." first we had religious experiences.

Actually, first we had deviation from religious obligations. This would describe the generations both before the flood at the time of Noah and after the flood, from before Nimrod's appearance and onward.

If G-d is fact and not fiction and if humanity is commanded to obey certain obligations commanded by G-d, whatever they may be, the easy solution for the simple life in this world is to do what you want.

I'm just sayin'........

[Skybird]

And I thought obeying commands, no matter if by a general or a god, is the easiest way to go: no thinking, no finding out ourselves, no responsebility for the consequences of what we do: we just did what we are ordered and what is written down by our ancestors, we are not guilty, we just followed orders. Like lemmings. And even if we mess it up, when we did so by following the ancient orders, we will nevertheless be saved, for gods will twist and bend all universe just for us. We are still the navel of all universe.

That's why I talked of religious experience. Which is antagonistic to the existence of any gods invented and declared by mankind, imo. Religion has no place for idols, only for immediate, direct life.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And I thought obeying commands, no matter if by a general or a god, is the easiest way to go: no thinking, no finding out ourselves, no responsebility for the consequences of what we do: we just did what we are ordered and what is written down by our ancestors, we are not guilty, we just followed orders. Like lemmings.

Au contraire!

You have decisions to make day in and day out. Who says it's easy? Maybe there's a built-in inclination in you that says do your own thing and that's where the struggle takes place?

You are responsible and maybe not just to yourself but to others and must set an example.

It's not so simple. Not at all. Or at least possibly not at all.

And even if we mess it up, when we did so by following the ancient orders, we will nevertheless be saved, for gods will twist and bend all universe just for us.

Not in my manual. Lot of catastrophic failures.

We are still the navel of all universe.

That you are!

That's why I talked of religious experience. Which is antagonistic to the existence of any gods invented and declared by mankind, imo. Religion has no place for idols, only for immediate, direct life.

Not sure what you're saying in this last paragraph.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

If G-d is fact and not fiction and if humanity is commanded to obey certain obligations commanded by G-d, whatever they may be, the easy solution for the simple life in this world is to do what you want.

Wouldn’t that make god just a dictator? Think about it (s)he/it is a being not chosen by its followers (generally someone choose it for you). Arbitrarily creates law with out the oversight of the people, and punishes lawbreakers with eternal torture in a pit of fire (that’s got to violate 'no cruel and unusual punishment').

As an American I say god is unconstitutional!

[Skybird]

AL,

It seems to me we were just like two highspeed trains meeting on mid-route and passing each other with 180° different directions. I have no cue what your want to say, and in how far your posting structure adresses the quotes by me.

Some believe in idols and think that is a virtue in itself, others don't. So it goes. I myself never saw any need for idols. Being aware that whatever I do causes consequences, made me stay "en guarde" and alarmed far more than worrying if I am in congruence with this or that ancient law. One can follow laws woithiut understanding the Why of them. then they turn into a simple habit, and turn the follower into a robot who does not know his programming. How freedom could come from that remains mystery to me. That is my understanding of justice: that nothing will be forgotten, no matter if for the good or the bad. That way man is creating his own fate of the future. Heaven and hell are - our states of mind.

Anyhow, I initially just wanted to say that our society favours the easier way, the way with less complexity, with less responsebility, and higher simplicity. Why asking questions? Just take a pill, and back to business as usual.

[The Avon Lady]

Jewish perspectives on free will:

Beyond The Matrix: Free Will & Destiny, for the moviegoers among you.

For a less illustrated read:

Free Will - Our Greatest Power, from which I excerpt for Skybird's reference:

• "To be or not to be, that is the question.
  Whether to withstand the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
  or by taking arms against fate... to end it all."
  - William Shakespeare

Judaism says the opposite. Greatness lies in how we resolve conflicts - in using our free will to grow - not to quit. To face reality - not to escape. To live and not to die. When we escape problems, we escape the chance of becoming great. It's a constant battle every moment of our lives.

Pardon me, boy, is that the Chattanooga choo choo?

[Skybird]

Must I feel adressed...? :hmm: Interesting stuff, but I wonder why you think this is an answer to something that I (should) have said. Nowhere I spoke of "quitting" and "evading reality". My argument is that you excatly do this if leaving all responsebility to form your stand in the world to the commandments of a god your ancestors have created - an idol, that is. I feel very much in congruence with Buddha's reasoning, or Nietzsche's thoughts, or Christian mystic in general here. So why do you think you need to give these links as an answer to me? Or have I got you wrong somewhere? Or did you feel I am criticising Judaism in any way with my above remarks? If so, that was not intended. I simply do not know it well enough to start writing long essays about it

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Must I feel adressed...? :hmm: Interesting stuff, but I wonder why you think this is an answer to something that I (should) have said. Nowhere I spoke of "quitting" and "evading reality". My argument is that you excatly do this if leaving all responsebility to form your stand in the world to the commandments of a god your ancestors have created - an idol, that is. I feel very much in congruence with Buddha's reasoning, or Nietzsche's thoughts, or Christian mystic in general here. So why do you think you need to give these links as an answer to me? Or have I got you wrong somewhere? Or did you feel I am criticising Judaism in any way with my above remarks? If so, that was not intended.

I was simply responding to your initial claim that religion make life easier. It ain't necessarily so.

I simply do not know it well enough to start writing long essays about it

THANK G-D! :rotfl: