Power to the people?

Skybird · 02-27-06, 10:07 AM

This report was linked on a German site today. Although it had been done for the British democracy, I think that major statements and conclusions (as far as I have flown over them) are valid for all Western democracies as well. Main focus is on the decreasing legitimiation of governments due to increasing numbers of voters being turned away by a politcial system that they perceive as abusing democratical structures, and that instead of encouraging participation in politics tend to discourage any engagement due to resignation and a thinking of that politics has no more anything to do with the people that it should represent.

http://www.powerinquiry.org/home.php

Report to be found in the download section (175 pages pdf)

VON_CAPO · 02-27-06, 10:24 AM

Very interesting.
Thank you for share it.

The Avon Lady · 02-27-06, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Report to be found in the download section (175 pages pdf)

Thank heavens for the 13 page executive summary!

Skybird · 02-27-06, 11:25 AM

Summaries - pah...

STEED · 02-27-06, 12:44 PM

Before I get stuck into these 175 page doc. one of the reasons why in the UK has a low turn out in the General Election, is simple not a single political party and can sort the mess out. And this dreadful Government has lied so many times I lost count, Â£500,000 spent on spin last year and so many tax rises, heard the latest one house hold rubbish is to be tax. I am not surprise at the last poll I saw 63.4% of the population want to leave this country.

What the voting situation in the rest of Europe?

I shall read this doc and get back to everyone on my views first the important thing a big pot of hot coffee is needed.

TteFAboB · 02-27-06, 01:27 PM

Given the title of this thing, I've read it with great caution. The focus on certain minority groups caught my attention quickly, common electoral fishing tactic of a certain political group. Will the new proposed Democracy be run like a Gay-Marriage NGO? The idea that the British political parties are old-fashioned could be used against the Women Rights organizations that support the project aswell.

Some stuff is right, some stuff is not that right, some stuff is outright wrong, some stuff is plain naive, some proposed solutions are problems elsewhere and vice-versa. If this is a reaction to the EU's iron fist and executive tyranny, then it's a great initiative.

However, I have my doubts if it isn't a masked Gramscian piece, pretending to propose a check on national authority, while infact proposing a balkanization of politics generating chaos, more disbelief in politics and opening the path for them to do exactly what they say they're fighting against. Especially when they quote this: http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/, another "independent" organization (NOT!), nothing more antagonist to Democracy than that thing. If they don't know any better, it's possible to question the functioning of their analytical study, what else they don't know, how much trust can we put on naiveness? Looking at the list of NGO's and other organizations that "assisted" in the project, I can see plenty of naive organics.

All in all, I finished reading this with a bitter Anarcho-syndicalism taste in my mouth mixed with a good perfume and a nice chocolate flavour. But that's me, I'm not easily impressed. I also wonder why Islam was not mentioned. Considering so many Muslims want the Sharia their community power should allow them to implement it on their neighborhood, town or city according to the plan. There was no mention of the Judiciary. All laws proposed by communitary consensus are considered positive or legal. Way to go Sharia.

I have a question, where does the "Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust" and the "Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust Limited" funding comes from?

STEED · 02-27-06, 02:08 PM

Well I read it and my conclusion is this The POWER Inquiry is nothing more than a jumped up organization, which spends all their time writing fancy reports, which anyone can do. So I suggest to them not to hand their report in to Number 10 Downing street, where are Prime Minster resides and why? I will tell you why it will go striate in to the bin thatâ€™s why.

I suspect they are a load of jumped up Middle Class morons, who have got nothing else better to do than write out reports all day long, and what dose that achieve nothing. So my advise to them if you hate the system that much, form yourself into a political party and stand at the next general election, so will they? Humbug we are to busy on are next report thatâ€™s their answer, as for this report I suggest they start living in the real world. There was more clap trap in that report than the truth.

The two cups of Coffee were nice.

The Avon Lady · 02-27-06, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

The two cups of Coffee were nice.

So you only read the executive summary.

STEED · 02-27-06, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

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Originally Posted by STEED

The two cups of Coffee were nice.

So you only read the executive summary.

Pardon

no the whole thing I can speed read granted the summary would had cut most of the boring

bits out I now wish I read that first are nuts

if you got a good joke about Tony Blair do post it I could do with a laugh

02-27-06, 10:07 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Power to the people? This report was linked on a German site today. Although it had been done for the British democracy, I think that major statements and conclusions (as far as I have flown over them) are valid for all Western democracies as well. Main focus is on the decreasing legitimiation of governments due to increasing numbers of voters being turned away by a politcial system that they perceive as abusing democratical structures, and that instead of encouraging participation in politics tend to discourage any engagement due to resignation and a thinking of that politics has no more anything to do with the people that it should represent. http://www.powerinquiry.org/home.php Report to be found in the download section (175 pages pdf) __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-27-06, 10:24 AM	#2
VON_CAPO Samurai Navy Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 588 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Re: Power to the people? Very interesting. Thank you for share it.

02-27-06, 11:25 AM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Summaries - pah... __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-27-06, 12:44 PM	#5
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Before I get stuck into these 175 page doc. one of the reasons why in the UK has a low turn out in the General Election, is simple not a single political party and can sort the mess out. And this dreadful Government has lied so many times I lost count, Â£500,000 spent on spin last year and so many tax rises, heard the latest one house hold rubbish is to be tax. I am not surprise at the last poll I saw 63.4% of the population want to leave this country. What the voting situation in the rest of Europe? I shall read this doc and get back to everyone on my views first the important thing a big pot of hot coffee is needed. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

02-27-06, 01:27 PM	#6
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Given the title of this thing, I've read it with great caution. The focus on certain minority groups caught my attention quickly, common electoral fishing tactic of a certain political group. Will the new proposed Democracy be run like a Gay-Marriage NGO? The idea that the British political parties are old-fashioned could be used against the Women Rights organizations that support the project aswell. Some stuff is right, some stuff is not that right, some stuff is outright wrong, some stuff is plain naive, some proposed solutions are problems elsewhere and vice-versa. If this is a reaction to the EU's iron fist and executive tyranny, then it's a great initiative. However, I have my doubts if it isn't a masked Gramscian piece, pretending to propose a check on national authority, while infact proposing a balkanization of politics generating chaos, more disbelief in politics and opening the path for them to do exactly what they say they're fighting against. Especially when they quote this: http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/, another "independent" organization (NOT!), nothing more antagonist to Democracy than that thing. If they don't know any better, it's possible to question the functioning of their analytical study, what else they don't know, how much trust can we put on naiveness? Looking at the list of NGO's and other organizations that "assisted" in the project, I can see plenty of naive organics. All in all, I finished reading this with a bitter Anarcho-syndicalism taste in my mouth mixed with a good perfume and a nice chocolate flavour. But that's me, I'm not easily impressed. I also wonder why Islam was not mentioned. Considering so many Muslims want the Sharia their community power should allow them to implement it on their neighborhood, town or city according to the plan. There was no mention of the Judiciary. All laws proposed by communitary consensus are considered positive or legal. Way to go Sharia. I have a question, where does the "Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust" and the "Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust Limited" funding comes from? __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

02-27-06, 02:08 PM	#7
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Well I read it and my conclusion is this The POWER Inquiry is nothing more than a jumped up organization, which spends all their time writing fancy reports, which anyone can do. So I suggest to them not to hand their report in to Number 10 Downing street, where are Prime Minster resides and why? I will tell you why it will go striate in to the bin thatâ€™s why. I suspect they are a load of jumped up Middle Class morons, who have got nothing else better to do than write out reports all day long, and what dose that achieve nothing. So my advise to them if you hate the system that much, form yourself into a political party and stand at the next general election, so will they? Humbug we are to busy on are next report thatâ€™s their answer, as for this report I suggest they start living in the real world. There was more clap trap in that report than the truth. The two cups of Coffee were nice. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!