Britain has new weapon against Iraqi Youths - Beatings

Deathblow · 02-15-06, 07:20 PM

British troops ganging up on and beating the snot out of Iraqi dissidents?

http://www.break.com/index/britishiraq12.html

TteFAboB · 02-15-06, 07:43 PM

If only they were American soldiers... :hmm:

But this can be blamed on Bush anyway, right? He dragged Tony Blair into the war. No wonder Dick Cheney receives more attention and headlines than this, Bush is getting old.

mog · 02-15-06, 09:41 PM

I don't have any sympathy for the little stone-throwing bastards, but the soldiers probably did go too far.

Like with Abu Ghraib, the point that really strikes me is how someone could be stupid enough to film something of this nature.

bradclark1 · 02-15-06, 10:44 PM

You want to know whats stupid. Expecting combat troops to act like cops.
Not only are they not trained to be cops they don't recieve the same pay as cops. If they wanted to play cops they wouldn't have joined the army would they?
You want to screw with soldiers you pay the price. They are lucky they weren't shot.
So who is wrong here? Politicans, rioters or soldiers?
So shove your bleeding heart somewhere Deathblow.

UglyMowgli · 02-16-06, 02:27 AM

I think it not a sound generator but some an old song from The King Elvis , young people dislike it a lot (he y prefer Britanny Spirit songs :rotfl: )

lesrae · 02-16-06, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSgalileo

I think it not a sound generator but some an old song from The King Elvis , young people dislike it a lot (he y prefer Britanny Spirit songs :rotfl: )

Wrong thread mate?

jumpy · 02-16-06, 04:44 AM

As Brad says, what do you expect from men who are traned to kill and not as policemen?
Something else that isn't shown in this clip is what appears to be a grenade (?) an explosion on the other side of the courtyard, just before the incident takes place. Perhaps it's not altogether professioinal in todays squeaky clean view of millitary manuvers, but if that had been Iraqi police (or any other middle eastern security forces- they don't p1ss about like we do in the UK) those lads would have suffered much worse as a matter of course. Such an outcry, for a typical occurence over there, would the same have been reported if it was local fuzz/military forces beating seven bells out of some locals? I don't think so.

STEED · 02-16-06, 05:43 AM

The Problem with that piece of film footage from the news on the TV is you see only the aftermath not what caused it, and the gutter press in the UK hyped it up to get a reaction, a negative one at that. The British gutter press should be ashamed of themselves, if they got one thread of moral fibre in them.

Well that's my comment from what I have seen on the news now to Deathblow's link which shows the whole thing well do you think any solider is going to stand there and take that crap no and why should they.

Sixpack · 02-16-06, 05:55 AM

Oh yea ! Brits kickin azz !!

Thanks for that link

And to remind my critics: They'd most likely become terrorists or frustrated islami radicals anyway later on in life, never mind their arses now being kicked by the West.

Give 'em more !

Sixpack · 02-16-06, 06:26 AM

I dont blame these soldiers considering the **** they endure every single day

(yet definitely not those perverted folks involved in Abu Graib and such places ! To hell with them

)

The Avon Lady · 02-16-06, 08:20 AM

I do blame the soldiers.

I don't blame the entire British Empire.

So, there are bad apples in UK troops? Like, wow! Who ever would have thought!

Deal with them and move on to pummeling the enemy that really needs this sort of treatment - and then some!

Rotary Crewman · 02-16-06, 08:47 AM

Don't get me wrong, it's the wrong thing to do.

Keep it in house, get those blokes sent back to England and let the forces get on with their jobs. If the public feel they should know whats happening then release this sort of thing AFTER the war. The News Of The World has just put our troops in danger once again.

Thanks.

kiwi_2005 · 02-16-06, 08:51 AM

Well actually i found the footage blardy HILARIOUS! Was like watching the police do a raid up my street.

Ah.... ok sorry

Happy Times · 02-16-06, 10:23 AM

If the job given is to maintain order, hunt down terrorists among the population AND win hearts and minds, they should be trained to do that. The responsibility is on the commanders to organize this crowd control training. Soldiers job is what the politicians give , and this time its this shait with rock throwing kids. Those soldiers did wrong, maybe because left unprepared by superiors, wouldnt be the first time.

Sixpack · 02-16-06, 10:50 AM

As I said over and over again: Peackeeping sucks big time.

you'll see for yourself , Happy man

02-15-06, 07:20 PM	#1
Deathblow Captain Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 518 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Britain has new weapon against Iraqi Youths - Beatings British troops ganging up on and beating the snot out of Iraqi dissidents? http://www.break.com/index/britishiraq12.html

02-15-06, 07:43 PM	#2
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	If only they were American soldiers... :hmm: But this can be blamed on Bush anyway, right? He dragged Tony Blair into the war. No wonder Dick Cheney receives more attention and headlines than this, Bush is getting old. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

02-16-06, 02:27 AM	#5
UglyMowgli Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 784 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I think it not a sound generator but some an old song from The King Elvis , young people dislike it a lot (he y prefer Britanny Spirit songs :rotfl: ) __________________ Modern Naval Warfare Community Manager

02-16-06, 04:44 AM	#7
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	As Brad says, what do you expect from men who are traned to kill and not as policemen? Something else that isn't shown in this clip is what appears to be a grenade (?) an explosion on the other side of the courtyard, just before the incident takes place. Perhaps it's not altogether professioinal in todays squeaky clean view of millitary manuvers, but if that had been Iraqi police (or any other middle eastern security forces- they don't p1ss about like we do in the UK) those lads would have suffered much worse as a matter of course. Such an outcry, for a typical occurence over there, would the same have been reported if it was local fuzz/military forces beating seven bells out of some locals? I don't think so. __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

02-16-06, 08:20 AM	#11
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I do blame the soldiers. I don't blame the entire British Empire. So, there are bad apples in UK troops? Like, wow! Who ever would have thought! Deal with them and move on to pummeling the enemy that really needs this sort of treatment - and then some! __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

02-15-06, 09:41 PM	#3
mog Medic Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 163 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't have any sympathy for the little stone-throwing bastards, but the soldiers probably did go too far. Like with Abu Ghraib, the point that really strikes me is how someone could be stupid enough to film something of this nature.

02-15-06, 10:44 PM	#4
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	You want to know whats stupid. Expecting combat troops to act like cops. Not only are they not trained to be cops they don't recieve the same pay as cops. If they wanted to play cops they wouldn't have joined the army would they? You want to screw with soldiers you pay the price. They are lucky they weren't shot. So who is wrong here? Politicans, rioters or soldiers? So shove your bleeding heart somewhere Deathblow.

02-16-06, 05:43 AM	#8
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	The Problem with that piece of film footage from the news on the TV is you see only the aftermath not what caused it, and the gutter press in the UK hyped it up to get a reaction, a negative one at that. The British gutter press should be ashamed of themselves, if they got one thread of moral fibre in them. Well that's my comment from what I have seen on the news now to Deathblow's link which shows the whole thing well do you think any solider is going to stand there and take that crap no and why should they.

02-16-06, 05:55 AM	#9
Sixpack Samurai Navy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: below North Sea level (iow Holland) Posts: 592 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Oh yea ! Brits kickin azz !! Thanks for that link And to remind my critics: They'd most likely become terrorists or frustrated islami radicals anyway later on in life, never mind their arses now being kicked by the West. Give 'em more !

02-16-06, 06:26 AM	#10
Sixpack Samurai Navy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: below North Sea level (iow Holland) Posts: 592 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I dont blame these soldiers considering the **** they endure every single day (yet definitely not those perverted folks involved in Abu Graib and such places ! To hell with them )

02-16-06, 08:47 AM	#12
Rotary Crewman Sonar Guy Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The cold part of a Helicopter, the back. Posts: 395 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Don't get me wrong, it's the wrong thing to do. Keep it in house, get those blokes sent back to England and let the forces get on with their jobs. If the public feel they should know whats happening then release this sort of thing AFTER the war. The News Of The World has just put our troops in danger once again. Thanks. __________________

02-16-06, 08:51 AM	#13
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Well actually i found the footage blardy HILARIOUS! Was like watching the police do a raid up my street. Ah.... ok sorry __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

02-16-06, 10:23 AM	#14
Happy Times Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 2,950 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	If the job given is to maintain order, hunt down terrorists among the population AND win hearts and minds, they should be trained to do that. The responsibility is on the commanders to organize this crowd control training. Soldiers job is what the politicians give , and this time its this shait with rock throwing kids. Those soldiers did wrong, maybe because left unprepared by superiors, wouldnt be the first time. __________________

02-16-06, 10:50 AM	#15
Sixpack Samurai Navy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: below North Sea level (iow Holland) Posts: 592 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	As I said over and over again: Peackeeping sucks big time. you'll see for yourself , Happy man