BREAKING NEWS FOR IL2 FANS.

Konovalov · 01-31-06, 04:44 PM

Amazing to think how far this sim has come since the original Il2.

Surely this must now be the end and on with the Battle of Britain sim.

Skybird · 01-31-06, 04:45 PM

CCIP · 01-31-06, 04:52 PM

Gah, I want to install it again, even if just for the new bombers. But no time

SUBMAN1 · 01-31-06, 05:17 PM

I must admit that IL2 never held my interest for too long. You go up, you fight a fight, and then the sky is dead after that! No extra aircraft to come get you, nothing.

The lack of a truely dynamic campaign clearly shows itself in this sim. I didn't buy Pacific Fighters because of this, though I do have all the IL2 add ons.

-S

Ahoy! · 01-31-06, 05:39 PM

JU88 and mosquito

I will fly some on online servers when we get them, although dogfight servers suck for groundpounders. At least in the mosquito we will have enough speed to disengage from fighters.
A typical dogfight server is 30 fighters and 2-4 bombers - boring. The offline campaign also gets pretty repetitive after a while. IL2 is like a hot woman with no intellect

August · 01-31-06, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I must admit that IL2 never held my interest for too long. You go up, you fight a fight, and then the sky is dead after that! No extra aircraft to come get you, nothing.

The lack of a truely dynamic campaign clearly shows itself in this sim. I didn't buy Pacific Fighters because of this, though I do have all the IL2 add ons.

-S

Yeah if it only had the dynamic campaign that Red Baron did it would be a truely great sim.

Torpedo Fodder · 01-31-06, 10:32 PM

I must get a copy of Pacific Fighters, but since my aging rig barely meets the specs, it'd probably choke on it during larger battles. I still have plenty of fun with Il-2: Forgotten Battles, though.

SUBMAN1 · 01-31-06, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I must admit that IL2 never held my interest for too long. You go up, you fight a fight, and then the sky is dead after that! No extra aircraft to come get you, nothing.

The lack of a truely dynamic campaign clearly shows itself in this sim. I didn't buy Pacific Fighters because of this, though I do have all the IL2 add ons.

-S

Yeah if it only had the dynamic campaign that Red Baron did it would be a truely great sim.

I'd love another new version of Red Baron 3D on modern systems! Please please please!!! I miss flying my crappy plane (crate is a better word) behind enemy lines and blowing up trains!

-S

Marhkimov · 02-01-06, 12:00 AM

Yay! 4.03m... I can't wait!

joea · 02-01-06, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I must admit that IL2 never held my interest for too long. You go up, you fight a fight, and then the sky is dead after that! No extra aircraft to come get you, nothing.

The lack of a truely dynamic campaign clearly shows itself in this sim. I didn't buy Pacific Fighters because of this, though I do have all the IL2 add ons.

-S

Try this for a better dynamic campaign.

http://www.lowengrin.com./news.php

Excellent freeware replacement for the ingame dynamic campaign generator.

Skybird · 02-01-06, 02:44 AM

I agree on the campaign thing. I always thought that Oleg Maddox at least doesn't show great cleverness in concentrating so exclusively on the flying aspect alone, paying no attention to the overall experience they dogfighting events should be embedded in. compared to those guys who designed for example SH3 he is a bloody amateur, and takes care that his sims do not reach that interest level that they could have reached. Or think of the Falcon experience, that does not end outside the cockpit - you feel as part of something bigger, always.

The whole presentation and menues aren't very clever, I would say. Good planes and FMs is nice and well, but the rest of the package is just so... so damn cold. Kills longterm motivation, at least for me. I enjoy to fly it occasionally, but interst gets cold very quickly time and again. then I need to wait until it grew warmer again.

FB+AoE+PF over here.

Marhkimov · 02-01-06, 02:50 AM

I think Skybird hit it perfectly.

IL2 is a very nice sim in terms of FM and historical accuracy... but so lacking in terms of the war aspect. Although not too many games have succeeded in creating the destructive atmosphere of WWII, I'm crossing my fingers for BoB.

joea · 02-01-06, 06:05 AM

Guys, I agree with you, but really try the dynamic generator in the link above. There are also some single mission generators around, plus some very very well written community scripted campaigns. Sure the latter you can play once but hey.

Otherwise, for online you really need to find a good server to get a good experience. Coops or online wars, dogfight servers tend to "arcadish."

Doesn't change the fact that BoB really must have a better campaign system and thought to immersiveness, heck I recall with foundness my first serious combat sim, CFS1. The freeflight menu had country side sounds, a farmer, cow and ahem, cowbell...then a plane flying overhead. As I was learning to fly, I spent a lot of time there, and would take off from the "Switzerland" scenery. Very calming.

SmokinTep · 02-01-06, 06:28 AM

This is the only sim I have played this long. Oleg's team has supported this game from the beginning. Wish other people did the same.

Skybird · 02-01-06, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by joea

Guys, I agree with you, but really try the dynamic generator in the link above. There are also some single mission generators around, plus some very very well written community scripted campaigns. Sure the latter you can play once but hey.

Agreed again, Uberdemons QMG is very potent. But with every version he released it got more crowded, without him seeing the use of changing the layout and turning the super-miniatur-size buttons into something bigger. Sometimes even not all text fits into the mini-windows. Potent: yes, but low ergonomy.

but I will have a look at the campaign generator once it got adopted to 4.03.

01-31-06, 04:44 PM	#1
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01-31-06, 04:45 PM	#2
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01-31-06, 04:52 PM	#3
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Gah, I want to install it again, even if just for the new bombers. But no time __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

01-31-06, 05:17 PM	#4
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I must admit that IL2 never held my interest for too long. You go up, you fight a fight, and then the sky is dead after that! No extra aircraft to come get you, nothing. The lack of a truely dynamic campaign clearly shows itself in this sim. I didn't buy Pacific Fighters because of this, though I do have all the IL2 add ons. -S __________________

01-31-06, 10:32 PM	#7
Torpedo Fodder Ensign Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Whitby, Ontario Posts: 234 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I must get a copy of Pacific Fighters, but since my aging rig barely meets the specs, it'd probably choke on it during larger battles. I still have plenty of fun with Il-2: Forgotten Battles, though. __________________ Si vis pacem, para bellum - If you want peace, prepare for war. "Those who turn their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't"

01-31-06, 05:39 PM	#5
Ahoy! Watch Join Date: May 2004 Location: 7th flotilla St. Nazaire Posts: 19 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	JU88 and mosquito I will fly some on online servers when we get them, although dogfight servers suck for groundpounders. At least in the mosquito we will have enough speed to disengage from fighters. A typical dogfight server is 30 fighters and 2-4 bombers - boring. The offline campaign also gets pretty repetitive after a while. IL2 is like a hot woman with no intellect

02-01-06, 12:00 AM	#9
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yay! 4.03m... I can't wait! __________________ It takes two to tango

02-01-06, 02:44 AM	#11
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I agree on the campaign thing. I always thought that Oleg Maddox at least doesn't show great cleverness in concentrating so exclusively on the flying aspect alone, paying no attention to the overall experience they dogfighting events should be embedded in. compared to those guys who designed for example SH3 he is a bloody amateur, and takes care that his sims do not reach that interest level that they could have reached. Or think of the Falcon experience, that does not end outside the cockpit - you feel as part of something bigger, always. The whole presentation and menues aren't very clever, I would say. Good planes and FMs is nice and well, but the rest of the package is just so... so damn cold. Kills longterm motivation, at least for me. I enjoy to fly it occasionally, but interst gets cold very quickly time and again. then I need to wait until it grew warmer again. FB+AoE+PF over here. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-01-06, 02:50 AM	#12
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think Skybird hit it perfectly. IL2 is a very nice sim in terms of FM and historical accuracy... but so lacking in terms of the war aspect. Although not too many games have succeeded in creating the destructive atmosphere of WWII, I'm crossing my fingers for BoB. __________________ It takes two to tango

02-01-06, 06:05 AM	#13
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Guys, I agree with you, but really try the dynamic generator in the link above. There are also some single mission generators around, plus some very very well written community scripted campaigns. Sure the latter you can play once but hey. Otherwise, for online you really need to find a good server to get a good experience. Coops or online wars, dogfight servers tend to "arcadish." Doesn't change the fact that BoB really must have a better campaign system and thought to immersiveness, heck I recall with foundness my first serious combat sim, CFS1. The freeflight menu had country side sounds, a farmer, cow and ahem, cowbell...then a plane flying overhead. As I was learning to fly, I spent a lot of time there, and would take off from the "Switzerland" scenery. Very calming.

02-01-06, 06:28 AM	#14
SmokinTep Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Suffolk, Virginia Posts: 1,027 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This is the only sim I have played this long. Oleg's team has supported this game from the beginning. Wish other people did the same.