VIIC/42 spec's, how do they know?

Ducimus · 01-16-06, 05:44 PM

If you look around enough for the info, you might notice that everyone says the same thing reguarding the VIIC/42.

Generally speaking, it seems like a meld of IX and VII boats. Surface propulsion and range of an IX, diving/handing of an VII (only deeper), a hull is a little longer, a little wider, but looks like a VIIC/41, 2 extra torpedo's, both perisopes locate in conning tower. yada yada, etc etc.

Ok now, if none were ever built, HOW DO THEY KNOW?!

Where did the information for the C/42 come from? The orginal source?

TreverSlyFox · 01-16-06, 11:46 PM

You have to understand that WWII was a war that thrived on technology. When the war ended EVERYBODY, US, Russian, Great Britian, France etc. was competing to grab ANYTHING and ANYONE that had anything to do with German Technology.

The US shipped back BOX CAR loads of German Documents, Drawings, Blueprints, Photographs, Note Books and even Doodles on Napkins by German Scientists, and every German Scientist they could get their hands on. There were special Teams of US Military Inteligence that were actually with front line combat units to grab anything liberated right then and there.

Though we had a good fleet submarine in the GATO Class, the German boots were better in their diving depth and a lot of other areas. Think how stuned they must have been when they got the buleprints for the Type XXI and the VIIC/42.

Remember, the VIIC/42 had been DESIGNED and approved, just never built. Do you think they tossed all the blueprints away? Not the Germans, they put them in a file cabinet somewhere, all nicely labeled and in orderly fashion just like they did with everything else. Do you think one of the Military Inteligence teams thought "Well we've got the plans for the XXI so lets leave the plans for the VIIC/42 here." Not a chance in H3LL would they do that, they took EVERYTHING they could get their hands on and shipped it back to the States for study.

Whithin months of D-Day the Americans were shipping back train Loads of stuff, including entire factories whose technology was better that we had. To the victor go the spoils, and in WWII that ment German Technology and everything that went with it.

Karl-Heinz Jaeger · 01-17-06, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TreverSlyFox

You have to understand that WWII was a war that thrived on technology. When the war ended EVERYBODY, US, Russian, Great Britian, France etc. was competing to grab ANYTHING and ANYONE that had anything to do with German Technology.

The US shipped back BOX CAR loads of German Documents, Drawings, Blueprints, Photographs, Note Books and even Doodles on Napkins by German Scientists, and every German Scientist they could get their hands on. There were special Teams of US Military Inteligence that were actually with front line combat units to grab anything liberated right then and there.

Though we had a good fleet submarine in the GATO Class, the German boots were better in their diving depth and a lot of other areas. Think how stuned they must have been when they got the buleprints for the Type XXI and the VIIC/42.

Remember, the VIIC/42 had been DESIGNED and approved, just never built. Do you think they tossed all the blueprints away? Not the Germans, they put them in a file cabinet somewhere, all nicely labeled and in orderly fashion just like they did with everything else. Do you think one of the Military Inteligence teams thought "Well we've got the plans for the XXI so lets leave the plans for the VIIC/42 here." Not a chance in H3LL would they do that, they took EVERYTHING they could get their hands on and shipped it back to the States for study.

Whithin months of D-Day the Americans were shipping back train Loads of stuff, including entire factories whose technology was better that we had. To the victor go the spoils, and in WWII that ment German Technology and everything that went with it.

Great explanation! And true, every word!

Twas the German V1 and V2 rocket scientist, Wehrner von Braun that put America into orbit during the space race.

Ducimus · 01-17-06, 11:41 AM

Well anyone who watchs the history channels knows about the mad dash for scientists and technology grab before the russians

What i was thinking about more, was a view, thirdhand copy, or other such glimpse at the orginal sourcework from which all information has been derived. With an internet full of war patrol logs, pictures, and uboat blueprints, you'd think some VII/c42 sourcework could be found somewhere.

TreverSlyFox · 01-17-06, 02:45 PM

Two places I can think of off the top of my head:

The National Archives ... many of those captured German Documents are housed there now.

General Electric Company ... Their Electric Boat Company goes WAAAY back in production of Subs and the R&D involved. Bet they got more than a look at the VIIC/42 blueprints and documents after WWII.

01-16-06, 05:44 PM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	VIIC/42 spec's, how do they know? If you look around enough for the info, you might notice that everyone says the same thing reguarding the VIIC/42. Generally speaking, it seems like a meld of IX and VII boats. Surface propulsion and range of an IX, diving/handing of an VII (only deeper), a hull is a little longer, a little wider, but looks like a VIIC/41, 2 extra torpedo's, both perisopes locate in conning tower. yada yada, etc etc. Ok now, if none were ever built, HOW DO THEY KNOW?! Where did the information for the C/42 come from? The orginal source?

01-16-06, 11:46 PM	#2
TreverSlyFox Bosun Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 65 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	You have to understand that WWII was a war that thrived on technology. When the war ended EVERYBODY, US, Russian, Great Britian, France etc. was competing to grab ANYTHING and ANYONE that had anything to do with German Technology. The US shipped back BOX CAR loads of German Documents, Drawings, Blueprints, Photographs, Note Books and even Doodles on Napkins by German Scientists, and every German Scientist they could get their hands on. There were special Teams of US Military Inteligence that were actually with front line combat units to grab anything liberated right then and there. Though we had a good fleet submarine in the GATO Class, the German boots were better in their diving depth and a lot of other areas. Think how stuned they must have been when they got the buleprints for the Type XXI and the VIIC/42. Remember, the VIIC/42 had been DESIGNED and approved, just never built. Do you think they tossed all the blueprints away? Not the Germans, they put them in a file cabinet somewhere, all nicely labeled and in orderly fashion just like they did with everything else. Do you think one of the Military Inteligence teams thought "Well we've got the plans for the XXI so lets leave the plans for the VIIC/42 here." Not a chance in H3LL would they do that, they took EVERYTHING they could get their hands on and shipped it back to the States for study. Whithin months of D-Day the Americans were shipping back train Loads of stuff, including entire factories whose technology was better that we had. To the victor go the spoils, and in WWII that ment German Technology and everything that went with it. __________________ Be polite, be courtious, be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

01-17-06, 02:45 PM	#5
TreverSlyFox Bosun Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 65 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Two places I can think of off the top of my head: The National Archives ... many of those captured German Documents are housed there now. General Electric Company ... Their Electric Boat Company goes WAAAY back in production of Subs and the R&D involved. Bet they got more than a look at the VIIC/42 blueprints and documents after WWII. __________________ Be polite, be courtious, be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

01-17-06, 11:41 AM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Well anyone who watchs the history channels knows about the mad dash for scientists and technology grab before the russians What i was thinking about more, was a view, thirdhand copy, or other such glimpse at the orginal sourcework from which all information has been derived. With an internet full of war patrol logs, pictures, and uboat blueprints, you'd think some VII/c42 sourcework could be found somewhere.