Paris in flames,who/what is behind all?

Happy Times · 11-03-05, 02:30 PM

At the Finnish channel4 news a French sosiology professor visiting Finland told that according to their studies and field work these riots are probably led by educated leaders with a mission. Islam. There is also talk about declaring martial law to Paris.

tycho102 · 11-03-05, 07:20 PM

I've been keeping up with it a little bit, and there was a statement that caught my attention.

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"It's because of the police that this is going on," said one black youth who did not want to be identified. "They are too violent. That's not what their job is."

This is what they're saying in Paris. Not LA. Not Houston. Not Memphis or Atlanta. It just sounds like, "We have been ordered us to use taqiyya to undermine the French government. We are the victims and the police are the evil, violent oppressors. Good people of the world, hear our plight!"

I think this is the next game that they're going to be playing all over Europe, and sometime soon, America. And I think we've got good old Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Louis Farakan to thank for it. Racism is the headlines on CNN, every day since hurricane Katrina, and the entire middle east has been learning.

It's definately a good idea. I'll give'em that.

mog · 11-03-05, 08:58 PM

It sounds exactly like the two riots we've had in Sydney this year. Both were sparked by the deaths of juvenile delinquents; the first by an Aboriginal kid who fell off his bike and was impaled on a fence while running from police, and the second by a pair who crashed their stolen car during a high speed chase. The bottom line is that the Welfare State spawns these communities who having been dependents of the Government their entire lives, have no concept of personal responsibility. Consequently, there is a culture of victimisation when it comes to the police trying to hold them accountable for their crimes.

TLAM Strike · 11-03-05, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mog

It sounds exactly like the two riots we've had in Sydney this year. Both were sparked by the deaths of juvenile delinquents; the first by an Aboriginal kid who fell off his bike and was impaled on a fence while running from police, and the second by a pair who crashed their stolen car during a high speed chase. The bottom line is that the Welfare State spawns these communities who having been dependents of the Government their entire lives, have no concept of personal responsibility. Consequently, there is a culture of victimisation when it comes to the police trying to hold them accountable for their crimes.

Over that last year in Rochester we have had many incidents involving shootings of blacks by police and by other blacks. One time some dumb kid got in to a car chase with a RPD officer, he stopped his car got out with a empty or jammed gun and tried shoot the officer who killed the suspect. Another time a kid in a stolen car tried to run over a bunch of police officers and was killed by them. Each of these incidents caused huge reactions from the black community against the RPD. It was only when a string of shootings of kids by other kids did they start to say stop the violence. Your are absolutely correct there is a culture of victimization and Us vs. Them.

snowsub · 11-03-05, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mog

It sounds exactly like the two riots we've had in Sydney this year. Both were sparked by the deaths of juvenile delinquents; the first by an Aboriginal kid who fell off his bike and was impaled on a fence while running from police, and the second by a pair who crashed their stolen car during a high speed chase. The bottom line is that the Welfare State spawns these communities who having been dependents of the Government their entire lives, have no concept of personal responsibility. Consequently, there is a culture of victimisation when it comes to the police trying to hold them accountable for their crimes.

And why doesn't the Police here have rubber bullets

. You see then throwing bricks etc and making rude gestures etc to the police from behind balaclava's and I just would like the cops to shoot them as they try and throw the bricks/molotov's and fireworks, take that ugly smirk right off their faces

Kapitan · 11-04-05, 02:26 AM

british have rubber bullets here but now days if you talking near airport sea port or some for of public transport system even in places like london the guns are not filled with blank or even rubber bullets.

police in britain now have the right to shoot to kill and suspect terrorist

ABBAFAN · 11-05-05, 10:53 AM

I think Big Bertha's responsible

Rockstar · 11-06-05, 08:57 PM

Will Europe go with a whimper? Or will it fight? Or, will some European politoco eat crow & beg for US Military intervention?

France is lost get out while you can!

Where's the Battle of Poitiers 'Martel' when you need him?

Type941 · 11-06-05, 11:11 PM

it's worrying for sure. I mean torched 2000+ cars.. wtf. May be torch garbage, could be useful at least.

apparently, they just made a discovery of some shot that was producing molotov cocktails and other things, and supplying to the rioters. Indeed looks like a well organized effort.

Damo1977 · 11-07-05, 02:30 AM

When crap like this happens in Europe, I say deport the bastards. They want freedom and yet like to abuse it by resorting to violence more accustomed to their homelands so begone with them. It stems from this 'Multiculturalism' or 'melting pot' bull****e. Its turned us Westerners into 'tree loving hippies' who are afraid to speak our minds unless OMG we are branded as 'racist' or worse 'fascist'. I don't see many westerners jumping on boats and claiming refugee status in their countries. They should be very thankful we gave them a new life which they seem to like to abuse.

So begone with them and may they live a merry life back in their original country!!!

Abraham · 11-07-05, 05:16 AM

Well, the main French Muslim organisation distanced itself from the riots and even issued a Fathwa against those Muslims who'ld participate.
Let's see if it helps, but I have my doubt.
This is not a religious problem but much more a social problem of gangs of unemployed youth, who find themselves rejected in a period of economic stagnation in France. They'll use anything, including Islam, to create some common bond or purpose. To me they are as much real Muslim as the IRA was real Catholic...
But it certainly does not promote integration and understanding from the French society, I'm afraid.

Abraham · 11-07-05, 05:20 AM

Well, the main French Muslim organisation distanced itself from the riots and even issued a Fathwa against those Muslims who'ld participate.
Let's see if it helps, but I have my doubt whether Muslim leaders have these youth under control...
This is not a religious problem but much more a social problem of gangs of unemployed youth, who find themselves rejected in a period of economic stagnation in France. They'll (mis)use anything, including Islam, to create some common bond or purpose and play the THEM vs. US card. To me they are as much real Muslim as the IRA was real Catholic...
But it certainly does not promote integration and understanding from the French society, I'm afraid.

Sixpack · 11-07-05, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Abraham

a Fathwa against those Muslims who'ld participate

As if that means anything... If the youngsters won't care for that either, I am sure the French can eventually level with them and solve things the European way.

Happy Times · 11-07-05, 10:36 AM

And it continues still, the police doesnt control large areas of the city. It has spread to other cities also. And the latests news idicate that it could be spreading outside of France. Cars have been burned in Berlin and Brussels. Hope it doesnt go to full blown civil war but thas a serious possibility. The first casualty has been reported also.

Sixpack · 11-07-05, 10:43 AM

I predict Chirac is under the Guillotine within 3 days !

:rotfl:

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Type941 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: U-52 Posts: 1,270 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	it's worrying for sure. I mean torched 2000+ cars.. wtf. May be torch garbage, could be useful at least. apparently, they just made a discovery of some shot that was producing molotov cocktails and other things, and supplying to the rioters. Indeed looks like a well organized effort. __________________ Sink the Bismarck SH3 Movie

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Damo1977 Captain Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 487 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	When crap like this happens in Europe, I say deport the bastards. They want freedom and yet like to abuse it by resorting to violence more accustomed to their homelands so begone with them. It stems from this 'Multiculturalism' or 'melting pot' bull****e. Its turned us Westerners into 'tree loving hippies' who are afraid to speak our minds unless OMG we are branded as 'racist' or worse 'fascist'. I don't see many westerners jumping on boats and claiming refugee status in their countries. They should be very thankful we gave them a new life which they seem to like to abuse. So begone with them and may they live a merry life back in their original country!!! __________________ \"If man is called to be to be a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well\" Martin Luther King, Jr

11-03-05, 08:58 PM	#3
mog Medic Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 163 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It sounds exactly like the two riots we've had in Sydney this year. Both were sparked by the deaths of juvenile delinquents; the first by an Aboriginal kid who fell off his bike and was impaled on a fence while running from police, and the second by a pair who crashed their stolen car during a high speed chase. The bottom line is that the Welfare State spawns these communities who having been dependents of the Government their entire lives, have no concept of personal responsibility. Consequently, there is a culture of victimisation when it comes to the police trying to hold them accountable for their crimes.

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Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Will Europe go with a whimper? Or will it fight? Or, will some European politoco eat crow & beg for US Military intervention? France is lost get out while you can! Where's the Battle of Poitiers 'Martel' when you need him?

11-07-05, 05:16 AM	#11
Abraham Eternal Patrol Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Paris in flames,who/what is behind all? Well, the main French Muslim organisation distanced itself from the riots and even issued a Fathwa against those Muslims who'ld participate. Let's see if it helps, but I have my doubt. This is not a religious problem but much more a social problem of gangs of unemployed youth, who find themselves rejected in a period of economic stagnation in France. They'll use anything, including Islam, to create some common bond or purpose. To me they are as much real Muslim as the IRA was real Catholic... But it certainly does not promote integration and understanding from the French society, I'm afraid. __________________ RIP Abraham

11-07-05, 05:20 AM	#12
Abraham Eternal Patrol Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Paris in flames,who/what is behind all? Well, the main French Muslim organisation distanced itself from the riots and even issued a Fathwa against those Muslims who'ld participate. Let's see if it helps, but I have my doubt whether Muslim leaders have these youth under control... This is not a religious problem but much more a social problem of gangs of unemployed youth, who find themselves rejected in a period of economic stagnation in France. They'll (mis)use anything, including Islam, to create some common bond or purpose and play the THEM vs. US card. To me they are as much real Muslim as the IRA was real Catholic... But it certainly does not promote integration and understanding from the French society, I'm afraid. __________________ RIP Abraham

11-07-05, 10:36 AM	#14
Happy Times Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 2,950 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And it continues still, the police doesnt control large areas of the city. It has spread to other cities also. And the latests news idicate that it could be spreading outside of France. Cars have been burned in Berlin and Brussels. Hope it doesnt go to full blown civil war but thas a serious possibility. The first casualty has been reported also. __________________

11-07-05, 10:43 AM	#15
Sixpack Samurai Navy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: below North Sea level (iow Holland) Posts: 592 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I predict Chirac is under the Guillotine within 3 days ! :rotfl: __________________ \"Navigare necesse est, vivere non est necesse\"