One idea : historical huge flags for neutrals merchants

lumat83 · 11-03-05, 05:37 AM

Hi all,

I've made a post in silent hunter forum and I've made some researches about neutrals boat in the war.

The merchants boats of the neutals countries. In fact this boats has many solutions :
- Huge national flags painted on the sides
- Running lights on
- lights on the flag
- Reports to belligerents where they were
The uboats stopped them for controls

Controls are not possible in the game

but is it possible to make a mod for the others solutions ?
- Huge flag to neutral boats or all boats
- neutrals boats sailing with lights
or if this is not possible for any reasons, make more visibles flags ?

It's too hard, and perhaps not really realistic, I think, to determine the nationalities actually especially on bad weather conditions or in night.

I think my idea would allow to compensate the limits of the game (controls ou neutal reports not possibles....)

What's your opinion ?

oRGy · 11-03-05, 08:59 AM

It's possible, yeah, for at least the flags painted on the side.

For lights on, we'll need for an alpha-texture to be overlaid on the ship at night like with the buildings, and this could be very problematic.

If you search back a few months I started a thread on this idea. We haven't really done anything about it since then.

Also, I reccommend editing the thread title to something more descriptive than "one idea for a mod", as otherwise people might miss it.

Rubini · 11-03-05, 10:23 AM

Quote:

The merchants boats of the neutals countries. In fact this boats has many solutions :
- Huge national flags painted on the sides
- Running lights on
- lights on the flag
- Reports to belligerents where they were
The uboats stopped them for controls

Controls are not possible in the game but is it possible to make a mod for the others solutions ?
- Huge flag to neutral boats or all boats
- neutrals boats sailing with lights
or if this is not possible for any reasons, make more visibles flags ?

The problem here is that if you mod anything with ships all ships of all nationalities will get them too.

The solution, and perhaps it is doable, is to increase the zoom factor of the Periscope, Uzo and Binocular, let's say, to 6x-8x (actually is in 4x-6x).

Rubini.

oRGy · 11-03-05, 10:36 AM

No, if I recall the solution was to clone a unit for each country but with a different skin, and then integrated them into the scr/rnd layers.

Would sort of be a job for you Rubini.

Wish I could find that thread - it was on the subject of irish merchant ships if I recall.

Rubini · 11-03-05, 10:53 AM

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No, if I recall the solution was to clone a unit for each country but with a different skin, and then integrated them into the scr/rnd layers.

This is a very hard and time consuming task. And the worst: the final huge size files.

I guess that modding the magnification factor is a far more clean and fast solution.

Rubini.

lumat83 · 11-03-05, 11:22 AM

Yeah I see my idea is good

But it isn't possible for me to work on it. I'm sincerely incompetent for this work

Increase the zoom factor for instruments to 6-8x is realistic ?

Perhaps an another idea (not sure with this

).

Is it possible to make huge flag on the sides of all the merchants but program this only for some dates (during the time where they're neutrals). And from this date, the skin disappear ? For example english merchants would have the skin until septembre 03 and after it disapear.

sergbuto · 11-03-05, 11:34 AM

Do you have any pic or info where they usually placed the lights on neutral ships?

lumat83 · 11-03-05, 11:52 AM

No, sorry, I haven't

but I will seach.

jaxa · 11-03-05, 12:14 PM

Very good idea!
Sinking ships at nights is very frustrating now, I haven't any certainty - shoot or not.

coronas · 11-03-05, 01:50 PM

Adding a light like lighthouses in shipsÂ´ structures? One or two lights is enought for identification.

Rubini · 11-03-05, 02:23 PM

Hi mates,

I continue thinking that is not possible to isolate the neutrals ships to make only them to have lights or a hull's painted flags. The friend or foe stuff is absolutely dinamic...

So, I should like to insist in the increase of the magnification factor for periscope, uzo and binocular. Actually, in game, the max factor is 6x. Perhaps 8x or 10x is enough. In the WWII era the optics were well developed.

Perhaps CCIP can help in this issue. He made the camera mod... :hmm:

Rubini.

lumat83 · 11-03-05, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubini

Hi mates,

I continue thinking that is not possible to isolate the neutrals ships to make only them to have lights or a hull's painted flags. The friend or foe stuff is absolutely dinamic...

Rubini.

Ok, but as I said, perhaps it is possible to make a huge flag and lights on all merchant ships (and only merchant) of all nationalities and after deactivate (program the disappearence) those skins at the date where the country leave his neutrality. These dates are known and fixe (september 3 for england for example...). But I don't know if it is possible to work on the dates in the game.

iambecomelife · 11-03-05, 06:30 PM

I tried the giant flag skins myself prior to releasing the Merchant Variety Pack. For this to work the flags will have to be 3d objects themselves - think large planes attached to the hull. Simply using the hull causes excessive texture repetition (as usual).

lumat83 · 11-04-05, 08:53 AM

Okay

Yes and you think it's possible to work on huge flag for all merchants ?

lumat83 · 11-04-05, 09:15 AM

If this work is not possible

Then the idea of Rubini is very good. Less realistic perhaps but it allow to have a better view of the flags on the ships. In fact, the actual view is not very realistic because it's too hard to determine if a ship is neutral or not. And we can't make controls in the game

11-03-05, 05:37 AM	#1
lumat83 Frogman Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 307 Downloads: 121 Uploads: 0	One idea : historical huge flags for neutrals merchants Hi all, I've made a post in silent hunter forum and I've made some researches about neutrals boat in the war. The merchants boats of the neutals countries. In fact this boats has many solutions : - Huge national flags painted on the sides - Running lights on - lights on the flag - Reports to belligerents where they were The uboats stopped them for controls Controls are not possible in the game but is it possible to make a mod for the others solutions ? - Huge flag to neutral boats or all boats - neutrals boats sailing with lights or if this is not possible for any reasons, make more visibles flags ? It's too hard, and perhaps not really realistic, I think, to determine the nationalities actually especially on bad weather conditions or in night. I think my idea would allow to compensate the limits of the game (controls ou neutal reports not possibles....) What's your opinion ?

11-03-05, 08:59 AM	#2
oRGy Crusty Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 648 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	It's possible, yeah, for at least the flags painted on the side. For lights on, we'll need for an alpha-texture to be overlaid on the ship at night like with the buildings, and this could be very problematic. If you search back a few months I started a thread on this idea. We haven't really done anything about it since then. Also, I reccommend editing the thread title to something more descriptive than "one idea for a mod", as otherwise people might miss it. __________________

11-03-05, 10:36 AM	#4
oRGy Crusty Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 648 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	No, if I recall the solution was to clone a unit for each country but with a different skin, and then integrated them into the scr/rnd layers. Would sort of be a job for you Rubini. Wish I could find that thread - it was on the subject of irish merchant ships if I recall. __________________

11-03-05, 11:34 AM	#7
sergbuto Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,331 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Do you have any pic or info where they usually placed the lights on neutral ships? __________________ Serg's SH4 and SH3 pages

11-03-05, 12:14 PM	#9
jaxa The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 1,501 Downloads: 418 Uploads: 0	Very good idea! Sinking ships at nights is very frustrating now, I haven't any certainty - shoot or not. __________________ SHIII + GWX 3 Gold + V16B1 hardcode fixes + SH3Commander SHIV + OM + OMEGU SHV + WoS

11-03-05, 11:22 AM	#6
lumat83 Frogman Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 307 Downloads: 121 Uploads: 0	Yeah I see my idea is good But it isn't possible for me to work on it. I'm sincerely incompetent for this work Increase the zoom factor for instruments to 6-8x is realistic ? Perhaps an another idea (not sure with this ). Is it possible to make huge flag on the sides of all the merchants but program this only for some dates (during the time where they're neutrals). And from this date, the skin disappear ? For example english merchants would have the skin until septembre 03 and after it disapear.

11-03-05, 11:52 AM	#8
lumat83 Frogman Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 307 Downloads: 121 Uploads: 0	No, sorry, I haven't but I will seach.

11-03-05, 01:50 PM	#10
coronas Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asturias, España Posts: 1,168 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Adding a light like lighthouses in shipsÂ´ structures? One or two lights is enought for identification.

11-03-05, 02:23 PM	#11
Rubini Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: São Paulo Brazil Posts: 2,728 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	Hi mates, I continue thinking that is not possible to isolate the neutrals ships to make only them to have lights or a hull's painted flags. The friend or foe stuff is absolutely dinamic... So, I should like to insist in the increase of the magnification factor for periscope, uzo and binocular. Actually, in game, the max factor is 6x. Perhaps 8x or 10x is enough. In the WWII era the optics were well developed. Perhaps CCIP can help in this issue. He made the camera mod... :hmm: Rubini.

11-03-05, 06:30 PM	#13
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,706 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	I tried the giant flag skins myself prior to releasing the Merchant Variety Pack. For this to work the flags will have to be 3d objects themselves - think large planes attached to the hull. Simply using the hull causes excessive texture repetition (as usual). __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

11-04-05, 08:53 AM	#14
lumat83 Frogman Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 307 Downloads: 121 Uploads: 0	Okay Yes and you think it's possible to work on huge flag for all merchants ?

11-04-05, 09:15 AM	#15
lumat83 Frogman Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 307 Downloads: 121 Uploads: 0	If this work is not possible Then the idea of Rubini is very good. Less realistic perhaps but it allow to have a better view of the flags on the ships. In fact, the actual view is not very realistic because it's too hard to determine if a ship is neutral or not. And we can't make controls in the game