Joystick: WingMan Force 3D problem

retired1212 · 10-22-05, 01:47 AM

Anybody here owns WingMan Force 3D?

I recently bought Falcon 4.0, and the problem is I can't keep my plane in a line. I mean if I leave my joystick, the plane points its nose to down by 5 - 10 degrees. In short, I have problems with the center of joystick. I had the same problems in LOMAC as well.

I am curious to know if anybody else have the same problem or is it only me?

Kapitan · 10-22-05, 07:49 AM

i had this stick its the games that are the problems not the stick but it is advisable to keep your hand on the stick while flying.

Hellcat · 10-22-05, 10:32 AM

I had the same stick a while back, you can reduce this issue by increasing the dead zone of the stick while increasing the sensitivity at the outer range of motion.

TLAM Strike · 10-22-05, 12:45 PM

To add on to what Hellcat said in some games this is called the 'Null Zone'.

XabbaRus · 10-22-05, 03:27 PM

How old is your stick. I had a Logitech Wingman a few years back and after about 6 months it started going off centre. No matter what I did it couldn't be cured. Turned out the potentiometers were fading.

My advice is if you can afford it get a new stick, like a Saitek

I have a Saitek Cyborg Evo and love it.

TLAM Strike · 10-22-05, 03:44 PM

XabbaRus I currently own a Wingman and have the same problem. The only way to use it is to calibrate it every time my computer starts and have a generous dead zone. Yep new joystick time indeed.

Syxx_Killer · 10-22-05, 08:19 PM

You might also want to try a Microsoft SideWinder joystick. I got one back in 1998 after having a Logitech Wingman for a short period. I have put the SideWinder stick through so much. It has been used quite harshly. Now, I don't play flight sims much anymore, if at all. The stick still works like new. It is very rugged. I don't have a steering wheel or gamepad (well I used to have both but they no longer work

), so I may use the stick sometimes for other types of games. With the twisting feature, it is surprisingly easy to play driving games with. That stick has literally been through hell and back. It was money very well spent. I haven't had any joysticks since and I don't see myself getting a new one as long as "Old Faithful" still works.

Kapitan · 10-23-05, 01:45 AM

saitek ST90 ive found is the best so far

retired1212 · 10-24-05, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

How old is your stick. I had a Logitech Wingman a few years back and after about 6 months it started going off centre. No matter what I did it couldn't be cured. Turned out the potentiometers were fading.
.

It is around 8 months old, and I have the same problem as you have.

The other thing I observed is when the plane is at maximum G, and when the joystick goes "crazy" (100% Force Feedback set) then the controls don't respond. This situation was solved to some extend, not completly, when I set the Force Feedback to 20%

retired1212 · 10-24-05, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syxx_Killer

You might also want to try a Microsoft SideWinder joystick. I got one back in 1998 after having a Logitech Wingman for a short period. I have put the SideWinder stick through so much. It has been used quite harshly. Now, I don't play flight sims much anymore, if at all. The stick still works like new. It is very rugged. I don't have a steering wheel or gamepad (well I used to have both but they no longer work

), so I may use the stick sometimes for other types of games. With the twisting feature, it is surprisingly easy to play driving games with. That stick has literally been through hell and back. It was money very well spent. I haven't had any joysticks since and I don't see myself getting a new one as long as "Old Faithful" still works.

In this case, maybe I should try to find old Commodore 64 joystick

retired1212 · 10-24-05, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitain

saitek ST90 ive found is the best so far

Thanks for the recommendation. I also read that many people were pissed off on Wingman 3D. SAITEK has many positive opinions, and maybe I will buy one in a month or so.

Bellman · 10-24-05, 06:21 AM

Yep - I have the Wingman Force 3D working fine both on Freefalcon3 and Falcon4 Allied Force.

Can only suggest updating the drivers from Logitech - that did the trick for me.

Good flying.

Kresge · 10-24-05, 02:04 PM

Yeah, same problem with mine too. I've had two of them and both had centering problems after a while. I also have a Thurstmaster Fox 2. It works as well as the Wingman digital, but I've always liked the layout of the button on the Wingman.

Hellcat · 10-24-05, 02:52 PM

Alright lets be honest here, I've owned 3 different verisons of the wingman series from logitech. Each stick suffered from the centering problem... Why did I buy 3? Because they are the cheapest/best (at the time mind you) joystick avalible. Now I currently own a Saitek X45 and can not be more happy. Logitech is a good company as far as mice, speakers and keyboards are concerned but avoid their sticks. I've now sold my wingman extreme digital 3d and am currently using the wingman attack on my backup system for the good olde games

If you have the money it'd be ideal to go out and buy a CH Products stick. They produce the best joystick before going to the high end all metal cougar line from TM.

I don't think this breaks the rules as they are a hardware retailer... they have the best price for the CH hardware.
http://www.provantage.com/buy-110CHPU-ch-shopping.htm

Bellman · 10-25-05, 08:17 AM

I cant take issue with CH Products beeing the benchmark for quality and functionality.
If you seek the ultimate in 'knobology' you cant go wrong.

I find the Logitech's 12 buttons (with shifting) adequate and ditching the 'childish' 'rumble effects the pre-stall
tremors can be a life-saver particularly with WW2 aircraft.
If you value your cash and have a Wingman Force 3D get the updated drivers and she wont let you down.

Somebody mentioned the MS Sidewinder which is pretty sweet still but hampered by limited functionality.

10-22-05, 01:47 AM	#1
retired1212 Officer Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Pole, World Posts: 240 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Joystick: WingMan Force 3D problem Anybody here owns WingMan Force 3D? I recently bought Falcon 4.0, and the problem is I can't keep my plane in a line. I mean if I leave my joystick, the plane points its nose to down by 5 - 10 degrees. In short, I have problems with the center of joystick. I had the same problems in LOMAC as well. I am curious to know if anybody else have the same problem or is it only me? __________________ Sub has been gifted to enemy in exchange of asylum and money

10-22-05, 07:49 AM	#2
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	i had this stick its the games that are the problems not the stick but it is advisable to keep your hand on the stick while flying. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

10-22-05, 10:32 AM	#3
Hellcat Ensign Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 224 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I had the same stick a while back, you can reduce this issue by increasing the dead zone of the stick while increasing the sensitivity at the outer range of motion. __________________ "readiness is only accomplished when the need for it is over"

10-22-05, 12:45 PM	#4
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	To add on to what Hellcat said in some games this is called the 'Null Zone'. __________________

10-22-05, 03:27 PM	#5
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	How old is your stick. I had a Logitech Wingman a few years back and after about 6 months it started going off centre. No matter what I did it couldn't be cured. Turned out the potentiometers were fading. My advice is if you can afford it get a new stick, like a Saitek I have a Saitek Cyborg Evo and love it. __________________

10-22-05, 03:44 PM	#6
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	XabbaRus I currently own a Wingman and have the same problem. The only way to use it is to calibrate it every time my computer starts and have a generous dead zone. Yep new joystick time indeed. __________________

10-22-05, 08:19 PM	#7
Syxx_Killer Admiral Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 2,387 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	You might also want to try a Microsoft SideWinder joystick. I got one back in 1998 after having a Logitech Wingman for a short period. I have put the SideWinder stick through so much. It has been used quite harshly. Now, I don't play flight sims much anymore, if at all. The stick still works like new. It is very rugged. I don't have a steering wheel or gamepad (well I used to have both but they no longer work ), so I may use the stick sometimes for other types of games. With the twisting feature, it is surprisingly easy to play driving games with. That stick has literally been through hell and back. It was money very well spent. I haven't had any joysticks since and I don't see myself getting a new one as long as "Old Faithful" still works.

10-23-05, 01:45 AM	#8
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	saitek ST90 ive found is the best so far __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

10-24-05, 06:21 AM	#12
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	Yep - I have the Wingman Force 3D working fine both on Freefalcon3 and Falcon4 Allied Force. Can only suggest updating the drivers from Logitech - that did the trick for me. Good flying. __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

10-24-05, 02:04 PM	#13
Kresge Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Motor City Posts: 209 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Yeah, same problem with mine too. I've had two of them and both had centering problems after a while. I also have a Thurstmaster Fox 2. It works as well as the Wingman digital, but I've always liked the layout of the button on the Wingman. __________________ ". . . sailors do not fancy living underwater without breathing in sunshine occasionally." Commodore Joseph Smith commenting on the USS Monitor

10-24-05, 02:52 PM	#14
Hellcat Ensign Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 224 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Alright lets be honest here, I've owned 3 different verisons of the wingman series from logitech. Each stick suffered from the centering problem... Why did I buy 3? Because they are the cheapest/best (at the time mind you) joystick avalible. Now I currently own a Saitek X45 and can not be more happy. Logitech is a good company as far as mice, speakers and keyboards are concerned but avoid their sticks. I've now sold my wingman extreme digital 3d and am currently using the wingman attack on my backup system for the good olde games If you have the money it'd be ideal to go out and buy a CH Products stick. They produce the best joystick before going to the high end all metal cougar line from TM. I don't think this breaks the rules as they are a hardware retailer... they have the best price for the CH hardware. http://www.provantage.com/buy-110CHPU-ch-shopping.htm __________________ "readiness is only accomplished when the need for it is over"

10-25-05, 08:17 AM	#15
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	I cant take issue with CH Products beeing the benchmark for quality and functionality. If you seek the ultimate in 'knobology' you cant go wrong. I find the Logitech's 12 buttons (with shifting) adequate and ditching the 'childish' 'rumble effects the pre-stall tremors can be a life-saver particularly with WW2 aircraft. If you value your cash and have a Wingman Force 3D get the updated drivers and she wont let you down. Somebody mentioned the MS Sidewinder which is pretty sweet still but hampered by limited functionality. __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity