Have you guys seen dud torpedoes?

Iceberg · 08-30-05, 09:37 AM

I mean real duds! Not the impact torp sent at 170 AOB but a perfect 90 degree AOB with a perfect run and perfect depth that just goes boing on a ship?

I've had some premature (which is why I try to get as close as possible to my target), I've had some torps launched too close to a target and didn't arm and I've had bad depth setting on a magnectic but I've never seen a perfectly launched torpedo just not work! (and yes I have duds checked in the difficulty settings!!!)

We all hear about the early war problems with torpedoes and that Kaleun who sent all his torps on an anchored ship and none of them worked (don't remember the guys name!)

I play with RuB 1.43 but I use my Weapons Officer to help me with the solution. He gets it right every time I put my uboot at the right spot for interception but I was expecting my tonnage to be limited by malfunctionning torps.

I know there's something to be said about German engineering but were they really that good at making torpedoes in 1939?

Iceberg

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 08-30-05, 09:49 AM

only if i miscalculate the range to target and fire off one too close...

though, i've even had em detonate when i panicked and shot at 280 meters...

so i guess the answer would be no... no duds...

--Mike

Floater · 08-30-05, 10:03 AM

Funny - I was just wondering this last night, and even went to check my realism settings just in case. I too have never seen an impact pistol fail to detonate with near-90 degree AOB.

seafarer · 08-30-05, 11:48 AM

I've seen it a couple of times (over several careers now). It seems rare, certainly rarer then the 1940-42 premature detonations - those get to be dang annoying!

jasonb885 · 08-30-05, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Floater

Funny - I was just wondering this last night, and even went to check my realism settings just in case. I too have never seen an impact pistol fail to detonate with near-90 degree AOB.

I've seen it.

Nice, 90 setup with a impact shot. Usually it happens when I mess with the depth. At 4.5m or 5m I nearly always score a hit. I've had them either be duds or bounce off when I deviate from those.

I imagine if it bounces off and it's a solid, 0 gyro hit, it's probably a dud though.

Drebbel · 08-31-05, 01:01 AM

This info might be of interest:

SHIII does not simulate torpedoes going on wrong gyro angle, stuck rudders, or torpedoes going too deep....etcetera. The team had simply no time for that.

It does simulate magnetic premature detonations and impact duds. Which are taken care of by a random roll.

For impacts SHIII checks the geometry of the ship at the point of impact, compares it with historical data, and rolls a die.

For premature detonations SHIII checks the sea state and then rolls a die.

So basically if your shooting skills are very good - getting impacts only at 90 degrees impact angle, you won't suffer any duds.

This is probably historically quite correct.

big_feef · 08-31-05, 01:21 AM

In all my patrols, I've only suffered one dud on a perfect 90Âº shot. Unfortunately, it was a fuel bunker shot on a Bogue Carrier from 750m out with a T2.

What I seem to get a lot of, but still rare during a single career, are premature explosions during '39-'42. Nothing like having your first shot fired on a convoy explode prematurely and alert the entire convoy to your presence.

After '42, that can tip the small scale between life and death as you'd better start running and not try to be greedy.

jason10mm · 08-31-05, 07:42 AM

In one of the training missions (probably the torpedo mission rather than the convoy one) I had a beautiful shot smack the ship, then drop like a rock to the bottom. I don't think I was too close either, as the follow-up shot nailed him.

rik007 · 08-31-05, 12:18 PM

A few times I tried a salvo under keel. Usually the first fish explodes the others didnot. Lately I did it again and all three did explode. Maybe 1.4 fixed this kind of dud after all.

iambecomelife · 08-31-05, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drebbel

This info might be of interest:

SHIII does not simulate torpedoes going on wrong gyro angle, stuck rudders, or torpedoes going too deep....etcetera. The team had simply no time for that.

It does simulate magnetic premature detonations and impact duds. Which are taken care of by a random roll.

For impacts SHIII checks the geometry of the ship at the point of impact, compares it with historical data, and rolls a die.

For premature detonations SHIII checks the sea state and then rolls a die.

So basically if your shooting skills are very good - getting impacts only at 90 degrees impact angle, you won't suffer any duds.

This is probably historically quite correct.

Hmph. I suspected as much. Where did you get this information, BTW?

08-30-05, 09:37 AM	#1
Iceberg Bosun Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 68 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Have you guys seen dud torpedoes? I mean real duds! Not the impact torp sent at 170 AOB but a perfect 90 degree AOB with a perfect run and perfect depth that just goes boing on a ship? I've had some premature (which is why I try to get as close as possible to my target), I've had some torps launched too close to a target and didn't arm and I've had bad depth setting on a magnectic but I've never seen a perfectly launched torpedo just not work! (and yes I have duds checked in the difficulty settings!!!) We all hear about the early war problems with torpedoes and that Kaleun who sent all his torps on an anchored ship and none of them worked (don't remember the guys name!) I play with RuB 1.43 but I use my Weapons Officer to help me with the solution. He gets it right every time I put my uboot at the right spot for interception but I was expecting my tonnage to be limited by malfunctionning torps. I know there's something to be said about German engineering but were they really that good at making torpedoes in 1939? Iceberg

08-30-05, 10:03 AM	#3
Floater Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: England Posts: 158 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Funny - I was just wondering this last night, and even went to check my realism settings just in case. I too have never seen an impact pistol fail to detonate with near-90 degree AOB. __________________ Kriegstanz website Kriegstanz forum

08-30-05, 09:49 AM	#2
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 445 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	only if i miscalculate the range to target and fire off one too close... though, i've even had em detonate when i panicked and shot at 280 meters... so i guess the answer would be no... no duds... --Mike

08-30-05, 11:48 AM	#4
seafarer Commodore Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 622 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I've seen it a couple of times (over several careers now). It seems rare, certainly rarer then the 1940-42 premature detonations - those get to be dang annoying!

08-31-05, 01:01 AM	#6
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	This info might be of interest: SHIII does not simulate torpedoes going on wrong gyro angle, stuck rudders, or torpedoes going too deep....etcetera. The team had simply no time for that. It does simulate magnetic premature detonations and impact duds. Which are taken care of by a random roll. For impacts SHIII checks the geometry of the ship at the point of impact, compares it with historical data, and rolls a die. For premature detonations SHIII checks the sea state and then rolls a die. So basically if your shooting skills are very good - getting impacts only at 90 degrees impact angle, you won't suffer any duds. This is probably historically quite correct.

08-31-05, 01:21 AM	#7
big_feef Watch Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: QR, Mexico Posts: 25 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	In all my patrols, I've only suffered one dud on a perfect 90Âº shot. Unfortunately, it was a fuel bunker shot on a Bogue Carrier from 750m out with a T2. What I seem to get a lot of, but still rare during a single career, are premature explosions during '39-'42. Nothing like having your first shot fired on a convoy explode prematurely and alert the entire convoy to your presence. After '42, that can tip the small scale between life and death as you'd better start running and not try to be greedy.

08-31-05, 07:42 AM	#8
jason10mm Sailor man Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Antonio Posts: 48 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	In one of the training missions (probably the torpedo mission rather than the convoy one) I had a beautiful shot smack the ship, then drop like a rock to the bottom. I don't think I was too close either, as the follow-up shot nailed him.

08-31-05, 12:18 PM	#9
rik007 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 785 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	A few times I tried a salvo under keel. Usually the first fish explodes the others didnot. Lately I did it again and all three did explode. Maybe 1.4 fixed this kind of dud after all.