DW autocrew TMA

mike_espo · 08-30-05, 02:19 PM

I just finished playing a Quick mission in my Kilo. Havent played in a month or so.

I am beginning to think that the autocrew TMA is too easy. I set the generator to hard ASW in gibraltar strait.....

I killed two Hans..always seems to be those...real easy. They never heard me and I was able to get a good solution on one in a matter of minutes.

All the souces I have read say that TMA can sometimes take hours to get a solution good enough to fire...

Will it be more realistic if I do manual TMA?

What do you guys think?

thanks

Kapitan · 08-30-05, 02:33 PM

a han is a very noisey vessel i have no problems tracking them even at 15 knots from a range of 20 miles

as for TMA i bypass it and use my own methord which includes a ruler paper pencil and protractor thing

hard to explain but it works

DivingWind · 08-30-05, 03:29 PM

Kapitain ,how do you calculate range to a contact with ruler,paper,pencil and protractor?

SquidB · 08-30-05, 03:30 PM

Yeh i think the general consensus is that Auto TMA is far too easy, and that the auto nail a contact far too quickly.

Your better off doing it manually

Kapitan · 08-30-05, 03:38 PM

cant get range just a simple bearing line and what course i got to fire it on but to get range the bigger the blip on my sonar the closer the contact

mike_espo · 08-30-05, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SquidB

Yeh i think the general consensus is that Auto TMA is far too easy, and that the auto nail a contact far too quickly.

Your better off doing it manually

Ahh yes

, but does the AI have super TMA ability? :hmm:

DivingWind · 08-30-05, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_espo

but does the AI have super TMA ability?

No doubt that AI has it...

I always lose in TMA race against AI

mike_espo · 08-30-05, 04:26 PM

just finished a scenario where I was attemtpting to locate an Ohio with the Kilo. I found it with my conformal array narrowband.

I thought it was next to impossible to detect an Ohio... :hmm: I had him at 4 knots at 550ft....

Picked him up pretty easily.

Kapitan · 08-30-05, 04:36 PM

yeah at the moment im tracking an ohio in the akula keeping pace 6 knots 170 feet (51 meters)

she is easy pickings at the moment but when she goes slower and deeper i might have a problem

mike_espo · 08-30-05, 04:37 PM

Kapitain, Im guessing its a bug.....should be next to impossible to track him....

Kapitan · 08-30-05, 04:39 PM

im like nose to as* here im only a few thousand meters from his screw and he going deep 250 meters and going down

LuftWolf · 08-30-05, 05:53 PM

mike_espo,

You should download the db editor and take a look at the mechanics of the game.

What you refer to as "bugs" are simply values in a datafile. The ohio is listed as being noisier than the average SSN, this is because all stock DB values are tended towards catagorical averages rather than RL values in a lot of cases because SCS can't compromise their information about some things.

Yes, we all can surmise that the Ohio class is one of the quietest subs in the world, but SCS coded it in the game as being a mid-late cold war SSBN, which tend to be noisier than modern SSNs, so there you have it, a loudish Ohio.

If you want a quiet Ohio, then you can change the values, a single number in this case, and change it.

A bug takes effort to fix.

Kapitan · 08-30-05, 06:03 PM

mid to end of cold war erm yep thats when they were built

mike_espo · 08-30-05, 06:26 PM

Hey Luft: Im glad you chimed in. I was going to ask: if its possible to change values, won't that really screw up MP?

I mean some guy can change values and make a "super sub" of sorts......

I am kinda afraid to mess with the DB...Don't want to mess it up

LuftWolf · 08-30-05, 08:07 PM

In short, YES!

The manual specificially warns against playing with the host setting to allow different host-client Database and Doctrine files.

I think opponents need to be clear with each other whether they have modified their database and doctrine files and if their preference is to play with mods or with stock files.

08-30-05, 02:19 PM	#1
mike_espo Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 396 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	DW autocrew TMA I just finished playing a Quick mission in my Kilo. Havent played in a month or so. I am beginning to think that the autocrew TMA is too easy. I set the generator to hard ASW in gibraltar strait..... I killed two Hans..always seems to be those...real easy. They never heard me and I was able to get a good solution on one in a matter of minutes. All the souces I have read say that TMA can sometimes take hours to get a solution good enough to fire... Will it be more realistic if I do manual TMA? What do you guys think? thanks

08-30-05, 02:33 PM	#2
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	a han is a very noisey vessel i have no problems tracking them even at 15 knots from a range of 20 miles as for TMA i bypass it and use my own methord which includes a ruler paper pencil and protractor thing hard to explain but it works __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-30-05, 03:29 PM	#3
DivingWind Engineer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lithuania Posts: 211 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Kapitain ,how do you calculate range to a contact with ruler,paper,pencil and protractor? __________________

08-30-05, 03:38 PM	#5
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	cant get range just a simple bearing line and what course i got to fire it on but to get range the bigger the blip on my sonar the closer the contact __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-30-05, 04:36 PM	#9
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	yeah at the moment im tracking an ohio in the akula keeping pace 6 knots 170 feet (51 meters) she is easy pickings at the moment but when she goes slower and deeper i might have a problem __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-30-05, 03:30 PM	#4
SquidB Officer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lytham UK Posts: 244 Downloads: 169 Uploads: 0	Yeh i think the general consensus is that Auto TMA is far too easy, and that the auto nail a contact far too quickly. Your better off doing it manually

08-30-05, 04:26 PM	#8
mike_espo Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 396 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	just finished a scenario where I was attemtpting to locate an Ohio with the Kilo. I found it with my conformal array narrowband. I thought it was next to impossible to detect an Ohio... :hmm: I had him at 4 knots at 550ft.... Picked him up pretty easily.

08-30-05, 04:37 PM	#10
mike_espo Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 396 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Kapitain, Im guessing its a bug.....should be next to impossible to track him....

08-30-05, 04:39 PM	#11
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	im like nose to as* here im only a few thousand meters from his screw and he going deep 250 meters and going down __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-30-05, 05:53 PM	#12
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	mike_espo, You should download the db editor and take a look at the mechanics of the game. What you refer to as "bugs" are simply values in a datafile. The ohio is listed as being noisier than the average SSN, this is because all stock DB values are tended towards catagorical averages rather than RL values in a lot of cases because SCS can't compromise their information about some things. Yes, we all can surmise that the Ohio class is one of the quietest subs in the world, but SCS coded it in the game as being a mid-late cold war SSBN, which tend to be noisier than modern SSNs, so there you have it, a loudish Ohio. If you want a quiet Ohio, then you can change the values, a single number in this case, and change it. A bug takes effort to fix. __________________ LW

08-30-05, 06:03 PM	#13
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	mid to end of cold war erm yep thats when they were built __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-30-05, 06:26 PM	#14
mike_espo Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 396 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Hey Luft: Im glad you chimed in. I was going to ask: if its possible to change values, won't that really screw up MP? I mean some guy can change values and make a "super sub" of sorts...... I am kinda afraid to mess with the DB...Don't want to mess it up

08-30-05, 08:07 PM	#15
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	In short, YES! The manual specificially warns against playing with the host setting to allow different host-client Database and Doctrine files. I think opponents need to be clear with each other whether they have modified their database and doctrine files and if their preference is to play with mods or with stock files. __________________ LW