Is it worth upgrading to VIIC from VIIB?

The_Pharoah · 08-08-05, 10:53 PM

Just got over 3000 renown - is it worth spending on a VIIC? from what I read of the specs, the only 'benefit' is a 3 sec reduction in diving time.

VilniusNastaviick · 08-08-05, 10:55 PM

It gets a couple conning tower upgrades later, whereas the VIIB gets one.

WolfyBrandon · 08-08-05, 11:12 PM

VIIB looks cooler, dont waste your money

Wolfy

panthercules · 08-09-05, 01:15 AM

I never saw much point to going from B to C with the Type VII - I kept my original Type VIIB until this past patrol (after I finished my 17th patrol, in Nov 1941), when I made the move to my new Type IXC 'cause with war clouds obviously on the horizon with the US I wanted to be ready to hit the East Coast for what I hope will be a repeat of the "Happy Times"

If/when the US Navy wakes up and/or I get tired of the long hauls to the East Coast, I will probably trade back down from my Type IXC to a quicker-diving and more nimble (and hopefully more survivable) Type VII, and going that direction I probably will take a VIIC next time, but if you already have a VIIB it doesn't really seem worth it to me to trade up just for a C variant.

The_Pharoah · 08-09-05, 03:12 AM

thanks for the feedback. I'm prolly not going to upgrade - save my reknown for some other goodies.

Does anyone have a complete list of 'must have' upgrades?

Duli · 08-09-05, 03:57 AM

You should upgrade, because you will have to, eventualy, when aircrafts become more dangerous, so its not worth upgrading your VIIB, and then you will have to replace it with VIIC, and upgrade it again, straight from the beggining. So upgrade to VIIC asap. VIIC also gets better equipment (better sonars and so on).

The_Pharoah · 08-09-05, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Duli

You should upgrade, because you will have to, eventualy, when aircrafts become more dangerous, so its not worth upgrading your VIIB, and then you will have to replace it with VIIC, and upgrade it again, straight from the beggining. So upgrade to VIIC asap. VIIC also gets better equipment (better sonars and so on).

yeah good point re aircraft armament although i don't plan on battling it out on the surface with aircraft, however the extra upgrades sound good.

Re my second question - do you have a list of must have upgrades?

SmokinTep · 08-09-05, 06:07 AM

I usually go from a VIIB to a IXB.

Ula Jolly · 08-09-05, 06:48 AM

The engine upgrade early in the game (1500 renown or so) is nifty; that will bring your standard surfaced speed to 16 kts. 20 at flank.
There're always anti-sonar coatings, snorkel, radar and such that need to be bought if you plan on surviving. Remember that a u-boat is passive until it is in battle, whereas the enemy is active until he is attacked. The thing to underline is that you should only allow yourself to be detected when you have already sealed the doom of a few T-3s and maybe some unlucky destroyers.

Oesten · 08-09-05, 07:19 AM

Going from VIIB to VIIC - Not worthwhile.

Going from VIIB to VIIC/41 - Worthwhile. Better equipment and can dive deeper (if you use timetraveller's Crush Depth tool correctly.)

Duli · 08-09-05, 08:12 AM

Well, VIIC/41 is practicly the same, as VIIC, so it think, that its more than worthwhile to upgrade from VIIB to VIIC. More than to upgrade from VIIC to VIIC/41.

The_Pharoah · 08-09-05, 08:34 AM

what about the other upgrades? I understand now about the engine upgrade (which I'll do) - anyone upgrade their hydrophones? I know it states that they're more vulnerable to depth chgs however.....

Anyway, I'm prolly going to stay with my VIIB and hopefully upgrade to a IX in the future.

kholemann · 08-09-05, 08:36 AM

This is quite a question. I have had the same VIIB since the beginning of the war and my game is in the middle of 1941. I have all the upgrades that I can have. I saved my game and switched to the IXC but it takes forever to go across the Atlantic and I have to go at the slowest possible speed for fuel economy. I tried raising that multiplied time compression but it dosen't work (or show up). I went back to my VIIB and await the VIIC/41.

Nopileo · 08-09-05, 10:33 AM

Prior to 1943 there's really no need to upgrade.

Kpt. Lehmann · 08-09-05, 11:21 AM

From my periscope... I'd have to go with a Type 7 for no other reason than it was the "Workhorse."

Hypothetically speaking, if you were a U-Boat commander in real life... odds are you'd eventually spend a lot of time in a type 7.

08-08-05, 10:53 PM	#1
The_Pharoah Soundman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 142 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Is it worth upgrading to VIIC from VIIB? Just got over 3000 renown - is it worth spending on a VIIC? from what I read of the specs, the only 'benefit' is a 3 sec reduction in diving time.

08-08-05, 11:12 PM	#3
WolfyBrandon Frogman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: U-957: Patrol 05 In Progress... Posts: 306 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	VIIB looks cooler, dont waste your money Wolfy __________________ [Current JSGME Mods Used In My Game] "Dave, you will always be remembered! R.I.P." U-759

08-09-05, 01:15 AM	#4
panthercules The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,336 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I never saw much point to going from B to C with the Type VII - I kept my original Type VIIB until this past patrol (after I finished my 17th patrol, in Nov 1941), when I made the move to my new Type IXC 'cause with war clouds obviously on the horizon with the US I wanted to be ready to hit the East Coast for what I hope will be a repeat of the "Happy Times" If/when the US Navy wakes up and/or I get tired of the long hauls to the East Coast, I will probably trade back down from my Type IXC to a quicker-diving and more nimble (and hopefully more survivable) Type VII, and going that direction I probably will take a VIIC next time, but if you already have a VIIB it doesn't really seem worth it to me to trade up just for a C variant. __________________

08-09-05, 03:57 AM	#6
Duli Planesman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Novo mesto, Slovenia Posts: 198 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	You should upgrade, because you will have to, eventualy, when aircrafts become more dangerous, so its not worth upgrading your VIIB, and then you will have to replace it with VIIC, and upgrade it again, straight from the beggining. So upgrade to VIIC asap. VIIC also gets better equipment (better sonars and so on). __________________

08-09-05, 06:48 AM	#9
Ula Jolly Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 567 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The engine upgrade early in the game (1500 renown or so) is nifty; that will bring your standard surfaced speed to 16 kts. 20 at flank. There're always anti-sonar coatings, snorkel, radar and such that need to be bought if you plan on surviving. Remember that a u-boat is passive until it is in battle, whereas the enemy is active until he is attacked. The thing to underline is that you should only allow yourself to be detected when you have already sealed the doom of a few T-3s and maybe some unlucky destroyers. __________________ I shall punish yee, landlubber! C'mere for spankings and popsicles!

08-08-05, 10:55 PM	#2
VilniusNastaviick Watch Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 19 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	It gets a couple conning tower upgrades later, whereas the VIIB gets one.

08-09-05, 03:12 AM	#5
The_Pharoah Soundman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 142 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	thanks for the feedback. I'm prolly not going to upgrade - save my reknown for some other goodies. Does anyone have a complete list of 'must have' upgrades?

08-09-05, 06:07 AM	#8
SmokinTep Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Suffolk, Virginia Posts: 1,027 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I usually go from a VIIB to a IXB.

08-09-05, 07:19 AM	#10
Oesten A-ganger Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 79 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Going from VIIB to VIIC - Not worthwhile. Going from VIIB to VIIC/41 - Worthwhile. Better equipment and can dive deeper (if you use timetraveller's Crush Depth tool correctly.)

08-09-05, 08:12 AM	#11
Duli Planesman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Novo mesto, Slovenia Posts: 198 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Well, VIIC/41 is practicly the same, as VIIC, so it think, that its more than worthwhile to upgrade from VIIB to VIIC. More than to upgrade from VIIC to VIIC/41. __________________

08-09-05, 08:34 AM	#12
The_Pharoah Soundman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 142 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	what about the other upgrades? I understand now about the engine upgrade (which I'll do) - anyone upgrade their hydrophones? I know it states that they're more vulnerable to depth chgs however..... Anyway, I'm prolly going to stay with my VIIB and hopefully upgrade to a IX in the future.

08-09-05, 08:36 AM	#13
kholemann Gunner Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 98 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	This is quite a question. I have had the same VIIB since the beginning of the war and my game is in the middle of 1941. I have all the upgrades that I can have. I saved my game and switched to the IXC but it takes forever to go across the Atlantic and I have to go at the slowest possible speed for fuel economy. I tried raising that multiplied time compression but it dosen't work (or show up). I went back to my VIIB and await the VIIC/41.

08-09-05, 10:33 AM	#14
Nopileo Watch Officer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 333 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Prior to 1943 there's really no need to upgrade.

08-09-05, 11:21 AM	#15
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,993 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	From my periscope... I'd have to go with a Type 7 for no other reason than it was the "Workhorse." Hypothetically speaking, if you were a U-Boat commander in real life... odds are you'd eventually spend a lot of time in a type 7. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock