Website of writer Sutton on marine topics

[fithah4]

Does anyone follow this website “Covert Shores” , I found it Sunday 22nd
http://www.hisutton.com/

Article that was intriguing : Russian Navy's Way Around Turkey Closing The Bosporus To Its Warships, Literally

http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navy...Waterways.html

Also wrote about: Evidence Of Russia's Planned Amphibious Landings in Ukraine on March 1st

http://www.hisutton.com/Russias-Plan...n-Ukraine.html

Many other articles interesting to look over.

Fith

[Kapitan]

H I Sutton at covert shores has been doing research for some time, not always correct but he is pretty accurate on most things and also some other items are speculation in part.

He does do some good cutaways he is on twitter too @CovertShores

The waterways that are inland have depth restrictions I would down the 6.2m draft of a kilo would get through even with a tug assist.
They used to bring subs down on floating dry dock type ships from Nizhniy Novgorod

The Moscow Canal for example is only about 5.5m deep on average, the Volga-Baltic waterway is much larger yet has a maximum average depth of around 6m and an imposed draught limit of 4m

To navigate a ship your going to need at least 1.5 / 2m under the keel

The add the issue in of bridges spanning some of the canals from waterline to shortest bridge span is around 11.7 meters, take a kilo out of the water and put that on a dry dock assembly I can almost guarantee two things.

1. you wont have much of a bridge left once the sub passes
2. the submarine will be seriously damaged from the experience

It has however been done in the past but since then a lot of the towns have been built up even more, so the state of the waterways is a questionable one in some parts.

So in his inland waterways article this references here are not fully correct if they are travelling without the use of special barges like the Sierra and Victors they built in Nizhniy Novgorod.

But it seems likely that non-nuclear submarines could be transported this way.

The internal waterways should make it possible to move the submarines from the Black Sea to the Baltic without going through the Straits at all. The inland way is more direct. So the practice of sending the submarines through the Bosporus appears even less justified

Two Things strike me in that last quote

1. the Russian navy using the Bosporus as a normal route, this would be political in one sense exercising the rights of the Russian navy to use the straights

2. it would actually be cheaper to use the Bosporus and the submarines own power to get it from A to B, like I said earlier you need tugs and a dry dock carrier to navigate the shallower water in the Canals, this takes time, people, money and also equipment.

[Catfish]

Yep, that's why
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=3834

Kilos could be transported on swimming platforms to the black sea, they did that before. For all bigger subs .. not sure but unlikely.

Regarding bridges it depends on the river, there is one of the two that has high cliffs on one side while being flat on the other, i take it most ships would be able to navigate there, choosing the side of the undercut bank and the bridges being high enough on that side.


Do you think there is any possibility to find a Kilo in the black sea. Not Ukraine.. how about Bulgaria, Turkey?
Are drones suited for this task?
I guess a Bayraktar TB x would not be able unless the sub would be surfaced, and it cannot carry enough ordnance to destroy it. I am not informed of the capabilities of a "global hawk" though.

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Yep, that's why
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=3834

Kilos could be transported on swimming platforms to the black sea, they did that before. For all bigger subs .. not sure but unlikely.

Regarding bridges it depends on the river, there is one of the two that has high cliffs on one side while being flat on the other, i take it most ships would be able to navigate there, choosing the side of the undercut bank and the bridges being high enough on that side.


Do you think there is any possibility to find a Kilo in the black sea. Not Ukraine.. how about Bulgaria, Turkey?
Are drones suited for this task?
I guess a Bayraktar TB x would not be able unless the sub would be surfaced, and it cannot carry enough ordnance to destroy it. I am not informed of the capabilities of a "global hawk" though.

Many years ago I was in Nizhniy Novgorod and there was some bridges along the river near the ship yard and having seen the pictures of a Tango being floated on a barge down river I stopped and wondered how they got it past that lot but they managed it.

As for finding a kilo in the Black sea yes its very likely we could in fact the black sea is enclosed enough that you could drop sonobuoys from Batumi to Burgas and walk between the two without getting your feet wet.
This would require non black sea participation namely the UK USA and France with their MPA fleet and using the Romanian Turkish and Bulgarian forces as chasers.

As for Global Hawk and its UCAV derivative its unlikely to be able to do much in the way of ASW, I do know it is being worked on and in the near future would likely be there but right now the capability is limited.

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

H I Sutton at covert shores has been doing research for some time, not always correct but

There you have it, you need to always take his work with a dose of salt.
He's been bitten by the Disinformation Bug in the past and will sometimes ride the Hype Train to get views.

What I like about him is that he tries to get it right.

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

There you have it, you need to always take his work with a dose of salt.
He's been bitten by the Disinformation Bug in the past and will sometimes ride the Hype Train to get views.

What I like about him is that he tries to get it right.

We all try and get it right lol, The articles I write for example I spend weeks compiling info, and making it logical and deliverable to a wider population, however I do make mistakes and what I like most about writing the articles is that in many areas it does stimulate meaningful discussion.

I don't write the articles for views, I don't feel I have to pander to an audience or the latest trend or ride the wave of the most popular subject right now for views.

That is what sets me and H I Sutton apart, and also he is a great illustrator (I struggle with stick men).
The other side to Sutton is he can publish what ever he likes when ever he likes he is on the outside I cannot, every article I write has to be approved by the boss and I have had quite a few turned down especially as of late, there's subjects I would love to write about but I am not allowed to do so, and sometimes this does give rise to speculation articles from him, id love nothing more than to jump in and counter it but I cant.

So yes be careful on certain topics but overall he is a good illustrator and writer.