Coils on deck gun?

1Patriotofmany · 05-22-22, 03:31 AM

What are the coils on the deck gun for? Are they wire for some kind of degaussing, or are they for cooling or some other reason?

d@rk51d3 · 05-22-22, 03:57 AM

If they're the same as the ones on the periscope, it's to eliminate vibration when submerged.....IIRC.

1Patriotofmany · 05-22-22, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by d@rk51d3

If they're the same as the ones on the periscope, it's to eliminate vibration when submerged.....IIRC.

How do they eliminate vibration and what are they made of? They look like copper cable.

propbeanie · 05-22-22, 09:30 AM

If you are talking about the coils that parallel the gun barrel, those are for recoil. You wouldn't want a hard-mounted gun on the sub deck, since it would pull out of its mounting location after a few shots. The springs absorb the barrel as it "slides" along its carriage. The springs help cushion the shock from the gun explosion, and then pull the barrel back into position for the next shot.

Aktungbby · 05-22-22, 12:28 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-inch/25-caliber_gun

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5"/25 guns removed from pre-war battleships (especially those rebuilt after Pearl Harbor) had their barrel linings chromed. These guns were remounted for submarine use beginning in late 1943 for extra firepower against small boats and sampans often encountered off the coast of Japan and elsewhere in the Pacific Theater, replacing the earlier 3-inch and 4-inch guns. New production Mark 17 5"/25 guns on the Mark 40 mount designed for submarines became available in mid-1944; USS Spadefish was the first submarine built with this gun. Some submarines had two of these weapons.[2] The Mark 17 gun in the Mark 40 submarine gun mount used semi-fixed ammunition (case and projectile handled separately) and had a range of 14,500 yards (13,300 m) at the maximum elevation of 40 degrees. The submarine mounting had manual elevation, train, and loading with no power assist.
From late 1944 some submarines were built or refitted with two of these weapons. The first of these was USS Sennet, commissioned on 22 August 1944. In February–March 1945 she operated with two other two-gun submarines, USS Haddock and USS Lagarto, in a wolfpack with significant success.To further improve the effectiveness of the two-gun configuration, seven submarines were fitted with a Mark 6 "Baby Ford" fire control computer with a Mark 6 stable element to correct for pitch and roll. The first of these was USS Sea Cat, followed by Flying Fish, Entemedor, Sea Dog, Sea Poacher, Sea Robin, and Sennet. However, some of these refits were completed in September 1945, too late to see action.

Note the 20" recoil BBY!

1Patriotofmany · 05-22-22, 07:21 PM

d@rk51d3 · 05-22-22, 09:24 PM

Anti-Vortex device. On the periscope they were used to eliminate the vortex effect of the water rushing around the scope at speeds of 6 knots and higher, and shaking the daylights ot of them.

Apparently also used on antennas, to keep them stable in high wind.

I'm guessing its the muzzle cap lanyard though, that just looks like a solid coil in the game rendering.

razark · 05-22-22, 09:28 PM

I can't recall ever seeing this before. Can anyone provide period photos of this?

d@rk51d3 · 05-22-22, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by razark

I can't recall ever seeing this before. Can anyone provide period photos of this?

Deck gun:

http://www.uboataces.com/weapon-deck-gun.shtml

Periscope:

Modern Scope:

razark · 05-22-22, 10:55 PM

Ah. So this appears to be more of a u-boat, rather than fleet boat, thing.

I'm no expert, but the vortex explanation seems reasonable.
However:
The periscope is perpendicular to the water flow, while the gun barrel would be parallel to it. Would the same mechanism work for both?

d@rk51d3 · 05-23-22, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by razark

Ah. So this appears to be more of a u-boat, rather than fleet boat, thing.

I'm no expert, but the vortex explanation seems reasonable.
However:
The periscope is perpendicular to the water flow, while the gun barrel would be parallel to it. Would the same mechanism work for both?

As per my note above, I don't think the coil on the deck gun is such a device.

I think it's just a bad graphical rendering of the lanyard/rope that secures the muzzle cap/plug to the deck gun platform to prevent its loss overboard.

Mad Mardigan · 05-23-22, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by d@rk51d3

As per my note above, I don't think the coil on the deck gun is such a device.

I think it's just a bad graphical rendering of the lanyard/rope that secures the muzzle cap/plug to the deck gun platform to prevent its loss overboard.

Of which, some gun crews, made the fatal & final mistake, of forgetting to remove that gun plug... & paid for that error.

Think it was a actual coil of metal wire... that had a bit, of a spring to it... sort of like how a slinky does... when the gun plug was needed, would stretch out so the plug could seal the end of the barrel, keeping out the sea water.

When the plug was removed so the gun could be used... the coil would retract, thereby keeping the plug, in a... stowed position... of sorts.

M. M.

05-22-22, 03:31 AM	#1
1Patriotofmany Captain Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 503 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	Coils on deck gun? What are the coils on the deck gun for? Are they wire for some kind of degaussing, or are they for cooling or some other reason?

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propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,911 Downloads: 444 Uploads: 2	If you are talking about the coils that parallel the gun barrel, those are for recoil. You wouldn't want a hard-mounted gun on the sub deck, since it would pull out of its mounting location after a few shots. The springs absorb the barrel as it "slides" along its carriage. The springs help cushion the shock from the gun explosion, and then pull the barrel back into position for the next shot. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

05-22-22, 09:24 PM	#7
d@rk51d3 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1,934 Downloads: 207 Uploads: 0	Anti-Vortex device. On the periscope they were used to eliminate the vortex effect of the water rushing around the scope at speeds of 6 knots and higher, and shaking the daylights ot of them. Apparently also used on antennas, to keep them stable in high wind. I'm guessing its the muzzle cap lanyard though, that just looks like a solid coil in the game rendering. Last edited by d@rk51d3; 05-22-22 at 09:39 PM.

05-22-22, 09:28 PM	#8
razark Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,727 Downloads: 393 Uploads: 12	I can't recall ever seeing this before. Can anyone provide period photos of this? __________________ "Never ask a World War II history buff for a 'final solution' to your problem!"

05-22-22, 10:55 PM	#10
razark Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,727 Downloads: 393 Uploads: 12	Ah. So this appears to be more of a u-boat, rather than fleet boat, thing. I'm no expert, but the vortex explanation seems reasonable. However: The periscope is perpendicular to the water flow, while the gun barrel would be parallel to it. Would the same mechanism work for both? __________________ "Never ask a World War II history buff for a 'final solution' to your problem!"

05-22-22, 03:57 AM	#2
d@rk51d3 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1,934 Downloads: 207 Uploads: 0	If they're the same as the ones on the periscope, it's to eliminate vibration when submerged.....IIRC.

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