China is today's equivalent of Nazi Germany

[Onkel Neal]

The Chinese govt. has an iron grip on the rights of its people. Can you imagine posting something against an official and then the govt censors sweep the internet and take control of your social media accounts, posing as you?

https://www.propublica.org/article/c...ontent=feature

When inconvenient news erupts on the Chinese internet, the censors jump into action.

Twenty minutes was all it took to mobilize after Peng Shuai, the tennis star and one of China’s most famous athletes, went online and accused Zhang Gaoli, a former vice premier, of sexual assault.

Even as the censors broadly muted discussions, they were careful to leave some references to Peng. They kept Peng’s account on Weibo but made it nearly invisible by removing it from search results. They disabled comments on Peng’s posts and on other older articles that mentioned her name. The tactic effectively closed off digital forums where the curious might discuss the accusations.

It's crazy how the rest of the world goes along with this. The Wuhan virus, breaching the Hong Kong agreements, soon it will be Taiwan. Meanwhile, the United States handed over out manufacturing base to China. Hollywood and the NBA are gladly advocating for the Chinese Nazis. And we're too busy fighting BLM and the climate boogieman to notice.

[Skybird]

Yes, a lot in and around China reminds of Germany in the 30s of last century. One hopes it does not end like back then, but how can one seriously rule it out, how cna one seriously expect hisotry will not repeat itself if the starting conditons are that similiar? The agitation is the same. The bullying is the same. The tretament of minorities is the same. The Lagers are there, their pendants of them. The military threatening. The nationalist regime propaganda. The public extreme patriotism and nationalism. The state controlled economy and money. The belief of the party to be so powerful that the idea of not succeeding is almost unimaginable. The spirit of being on a historic mission.



A worrying lot reminds of Germany in the mid and late 30s.

[Catfish]

I have to agree, though i am not sure about PROC's intentions towards invasions of non-chinese territory. Compared to Germany they have no neutral country to cross to attack Taiwan, as Germany had. They of course claim the other chinese territory of Taiwan for them, but i do not think they will go further anytime soon.

The inner system of the PROC has a lot of similarities, with new technologies this is supervision on steroids. We of course have the latter, too, just not using it to full extent. Yet.

And OT here, but: Maybe a bit unwise of Biden to threaten China (only) with sanctions in case of an aggressive act towards Taiwan, while at the same time saying he would not go to war over this.. an open invitation? Why did he even say anything about this, instead of keeping Xi Jin Ping in doubt?

Double OT and fictional: what if some western power would sign a military treaty with Taiwan against mainland chinese aggression? I see this as the only chance for Taiwan..

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I have to agree, though i am not sure about PROC's intentions towards invasions of non-chinese territory. They of course claim the other chinese Taiwan for them, but i do not think they will go further.

South Chinese Sea. They already harass civilian ships and boats there at will, with their very huge armada of coastguard cutters - even within the 12nm zones of other foreign nations. Said natiosn are too weak to confront them indivodually, and that they all toegtehr untie in ione big allaince like NATO to confront China is something I do not expect to see happenign any time soon. Not when it is about harassing fisherboats and trawlers.



And in Europe, even with Merkel gone and Baerbock in (Scholz however already is like Merkel extremely sinophile...), China still has one of the two big protectors, maybe the bigger of the two protectors of its interests at the helm: France.

[Catfish]

China committed genocide against Uyghurs, independent tribunal rules

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59595952

[Sean C]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

And we're too busy fighting BLM and the climate boogieman to notice.

Yes, that seems to be the plan. And don't forget the vaccine. Not only are we unnecessarily preoccupied with it, we have a "President" and an administration that want to force the population to get it - even though we don't fully understand the ramifications. And if you speak out about it, you're likely to have your social media accounts locked and your social credit score will ... wait a minute. What country is this, again?

Then there's the "border crisis", which the current administration seems to think will just solve itself if they just completely ignore it. Meanwhile, airheads like AOC want to fast-track these random, unknown people to citizenship. My step-father came here legally years ago and is still trying to work through the system to get his citizenship.

But hey, at least we got the orange man out of office and now we don't have to listen to his mean tweets. Instead we can listen to grandpa ramble on about ... whatever the hell he's trying to say.

Christ, we're ****ed.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

The Chinese govt. has an iron grip on the rights of its people. Can you imagine posting something against an official and then the govt censors sweep the internet and take control of your social media accounts, posing as you?

https://www.propublica.org/article/c...ontent=feature



It's crazy how the rest of the world goes along with this. The Wuhan virus, breaching the Hong Kong agreements, soon it will be Taiwan. Meanwhile, the United States handed over out manufacturing base to China. Hollywood and the NBA are gladly advocating for the Chinese Nazis. And we're too busy fighting BLM and the climate boogieman to notice.

It's enough to make yer I's !! The percieved shame of the Versailles Treaty and the subsequent Nazi rise to global domination(fulfilling Kaiser Wilhelm's failed "German place in the sun")in the '1930s are similar to China's "century of shame" to Western dominance; and its Communist rise in the 20th century, commencing with the Boxer Rebellion. China's Belt and Road global domination incl. a potential naval base in West Coast Guinea Africa(we kept them outta Greenland...for the moment) on its inexorable 50-year-plan make me glad I'm 70...and unlikely to see the sino-dismal outcome. The recent policy change from 1 child per family to the official 3 per family in a nation of 1.4 billion people only gives credence to my concerns. As the Russians say :"In war, numbers have a cachet of their own". The West does not have the numbers...nor the will.

[August]

The ultra left being compared to the ultra right? I would think a closer comparison would be with the other great tyrannical communist regime from history, the USSR.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Nah that wouldn't work since the Communist China didn't think the USSR was communist enough and therefore weren't real communists, it was called the Sino-Soviet Split.

[Aktungbby]

/\ the split notwithstanding, the only critical thing to ponder is : will the Sarajevo-style fuse be lit by empire restoring Putin in Ukraine...or by global domineering Xi in Taiwan; starting the hostile shooting-phase of what is apparently the buildup-phase to WWIII? In such a two-front conflict, the West and NATO combined with the 'frogs croaking' 'round the South China Sea...Philippine, S. Korea, Japan, Vietnam, & India will be certain to use nukes against the overwhelming Commie foes...

[Reece]

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

It's enough to make yer I's !! The percieved shame of the Versailles Treaty and the subsequent Nazi rise to global domination(fulfilling Kaiser Wilhelm's failed "German place in the sun")in the '1930s are similar to China's "century of shame" to Western dominance; and its Communist rise in the 20th century, commencing with the Boxer Rebellion. [...]

OT here in relation to current China, but please. The Kaiser wanted "a place in the sun", meaning colonies, as all other western nations already had. He did not strive for "global domination", you might apply this word to your anglo-saxon friends from Little Britain, and maybe to your own country.
Not even Hitler wanted "world domination", he was not that dumb. He wanted to go for Russia, right from the beginning, and only that. Poland was in the way, but it also was for Russia. As you probably know the british treaty with Poland was only effective in case of being attacked by Germany alone. In case of Russia attacking (as it did) Britain did nothing.

Just when almost the whole world declared war against Germany I would not say that Hitler wanted to conquer this world? He should have stopped it all and maybe he even tried (there is stuff they do not tell at school), but apart from being too late the allied effort was directed to destroy Hitler. Negotiations, a ceasefire or even a capitulation was never an option and not wanted by the allies.

Militarily alone this was not an allied masterpiece, but in hindsight it was certainly justified by Hitler's brutal dictatorship and the sheer industrial size of killing unwanted people in concentration camps.
But "world domination"? Certainly not. [/OT]

[Aktungbby]

....and the sheer industrial size of killing unwanted people in concentration camps.

Well at least you didn't deny the holocaust But seriously, any time U can even conceive of doing this: https://newafricadaily.com/shooting-...ndles-tensions you have a clear cut case of domination with impunity:

Two Zimbabwean workers at a gold mine on the outskirts of Gweru in central Zimbabwe were shot by their Chinese boss on Sunday, June 21. The incident has rekindled long-standing tensions about Chinese nationals living in the southern African country.
A court affidavit submitted by the Zimbabwean police alleges that Zhang Xuelin shot Kenneth Tachiona five times, reportedly in both thighs, and another employee, Wendy Chikwaira, had his chin grazed by a bullet. Workers at Reden Mine in Gweru had confronted Xuelin over his alleged failure to pay their wages in US dollars, as had been agreed previously, according to the affidavit. US dollars are highly sought-after in Zimbabwe, which has experienced repeated cash shortages and inflation spikes since its currency was effectively abandoned in 2009.
The Gweru case brings to mind a 2010 shooting in neighboring Zambia. Two Chinese mine managers were charged with the attempted murder of eleven workers at the Chinese-owned Collum Coal Mine in Sinazongwe after a protest over pay and conditions became heated. Despite being a decade apart, the two cases demonstrate an ongoing pattern of African workers feeling disgruntled by the systemic imbalance of their relationship with Chinese interests.

No Guest nation has any business killing citizens in their own miserable impoverished African country! What is to be avoided hopefully is a repetition of Wilhelm's "place in the sun" and it horrendous effect on the population of present day Namibia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero...maqua_genocide Even if there's no profit from killing for gold in Zimbabwe I'm just hoping there's no bone grinding plant! China is doing nothing new around the globe and they've got great historical blueprints to draw upon...including President Grant's absolutely illegal genocidal war for the gold in the Black Hills of South Dakota which a student of Missouri river boats should certainly comprehend!

He had no legal reason for seizing the Black Hills, so he invented one, convening a secret White House cabal to plan a war against the Lakotas. Four documents, held at the Library of Congress and the United States Military Academy Library, leave no doubt: The Grant administration launched an illegal war and then lied to Congress and the American people about it. The episode hasn’t been examined outside the specialty literature on the Plains wars.
During four decades of intermittent warfare on the Plains, this was the only instance in which the government deliberately provoked a conflict of this magnitude, and it ultimately led to the Army’s shocking defeat at the Little Bighorn in 1876—and to litigation that remains unsettled to this day. Few observers suspected the plot at the time, and it was soon forgotten.

And we did have a bone grinding plant for all the buffalo slaughterd to starve the native Americans into submission! https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...ans-180960787/ https://www.history.nd.gov/publicati...falo-bones.pdf

[Catfish]

^ Thanks for the links, i did not know all this ..
But I just referred to Germany, not to China, which is why i stated it as OT.. and that neither WW1 nor II Germany tried to achieve global domination.

What people in german colonies did was not always directly ordered by the 'Kaiser', they (like Trotha) were well able to behave atrocious by their own, just like others of other nations did.
Belgian "good" King Leopold being the exception with his 40 million killed africans by directly ordering it, and being the absolute 'winner' in this contest of colonial atrocities worldwide.

On topic:
Some chinese bosses may behave like slave owners, but China does not own the country in a way colonies were owned, e.g. like England/Rhodes and today's Zimbabwe

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Just when almost the whole world declared war against Germany I would not say that Hitler wanted to conquer this world? He should have stopped it all and maybe he even tried (there is stuff they do not tell at school), but apart from being too late the allied effort was directed to destroy Hitler. Negotiations, a ceasefire or even a capitulation was never an option and not wanted by the allies.

Militarily alone this was not an allied masterpiece, but in hindsight it was certainly justified by Hitler's brutal dictatorship and the sheer industrial size of killing unwanted people in concentration camps.
But "world domination"? Certainly not. [/OT]

I'm not so sure, Catfish. When Reimar and Walter Horton went to Hermann Goering to say they could build an aircraft that would satisfy the requirements of the 1000 x 1000 x 1000 contest, they were given the go ahead with funding. It was for an aircraft capable of flying at 1,000 km/h (620 mph) with 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) bombs with a 1,000 km (620 mi) range. The result was the Ho 229 bat wing jet fighter. In fly offs, it even bested the jet powered Me 262 in terms of maneuverability. The " achilies heel " for these aircraft was the lack of raw material and metallurgy to construct jet engines and compressor blades that could cope with the extreme heat and stresses of a turbo jet engine and the Tbo's ( time between over hauls ) was very short.

Goering and Hitler wanted the Horton Brothers to build what was termed as the " Amerika Bomber " as their next project. It was an even bigger version of the Horton 229 with 6 jet engines in it's fuselage. The Horton's were told that by 1946, Germany would have a functioning Atomic bomb and they needed a delivery system with a long range of about 11,600. The new strategic bomber was dubbed the Ho XVIIIB. Of course, this was unworkable even with the incredible engineering by the Horton brothers.

Certainly, England would have been the recipient of a nuclear attack once Germany had completed their work on an Atomic bomb. The only use for a long range bomber was the U.S. Hitler was quoted as saying he wanted to see New York and other U.S cities in ruins. It's anyone's guess where this would have ended.




^ Ho-229



^ Ho XVIIIB