Tiannamen massacre 31 years ago today

Catfish · 06-04-20, 03:58 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_T...quare_protests

Hong Kong extends gathering ban to Tiananmen anniversary today june 4th, 2020, (of course) due to Corona virus
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/gov...en-anniversary

Hong Kongers to mark Tiananmen anniversary with 'candles everywhere', online vigil
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN23A3GU

Let us not forget there are democracy movements in China and other totalitarian countries, even if we (of course) do not hear from them.

Jimbuna · 06-04-20, 04:03 AM

I wonder if it was ever published what happened to this guy.

Catfish · 06-04-20, 04:06 AM

^ A take on what we 'know'.. heard it on DLF Deutschlandfunk this morning, direct translation by Google

https://translate.google.com/transla...anmen-107.html

"The only high-ranking politician who has ever commented on this is the former head of state and party leader Jiang Zemin, most recently in an interview with Mike Wallace from the American television station C-Span in 2000:
"I have instructed people in the security authorities to use their entire networks to find out where this young man has gone. After a month-long investigation, I can safely say that this man was not arrested."
said Jiang Zemin."

Oh i am sure you have "instructed the security authorities to find the young man", and when they found and shot him he was not arrested indeed. Chinese dialectics at work.

Jimbuna · 06-04-20, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Oh i am sure you have "instructed the security authorities to find the young man", and when they found and shot him he was not arrested indeed. Chinese dialectics at work.

Of that I have little doubt.

Skybird · 06-04-20, 07:10 AM

Estimations of murdered civilians range widely. Usually claimed to be between some hundred and some thosuand, some estimations reach as high as to 10 thosuand and even 30 thosuand. I usually quote the latter, for i think that there si widespread self restraint in the world when reporting baout China and an unadmitted subconscious will to not enraged the big leaders in Bejing too much. In the end, for the arugmen tit doe snot matter whether it were 3000 dead, 10 thsoandm, or 30 thousand - any such number shows what murderous villain and what an uncivilised barbarian power the world is dealign with in China.

Rememvber Tibet. Remember Uigurian reeedcuation camps. Remember over 60 other minorities that by definition of th eterm de facto get brutally "genocided" and culturally - and often individually - erased.

We have seen this again when Covid 19 broke out, the long weeks when China denied an dlied, and chnaged statistcial mehtods to gloss over its numbers. They still do so with the secone dwave they are experiencing. The WHO praised the great efforts of China in delaing with the pandemic very early, but they did that out of frustration and in hope that appeasement of this kind would lure Bejing to hand over data that the WHO at that early time alreaey knew to not have gotten from Bejing. As we know, the hope did not pay out, and Bejing instead opted for killing tens if not hundreds of thousands of peopel around the globe that maybe would not have needed to die if reactions would have been faster if China had released data earlier, and correctly. They still do not do that.

Take off the satin gloves. We need to relaise that china neither is our friend nor a possible ally. its an enemy. And it is murderous. In earlier times their actions would have been reason to declare war against them.

06-04-20, 03:58 AM	#1
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Tiananmen massacre 31 years ago today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_T...quare_protests Hong Kong extends gathering ban to Tiananmen anniversary today june 4th, 2020, (of course) due to Corona virus https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/gov...en-anniversary Hong Kongers to mark Tiananmen anniversary with 'candles everywhere', online vigil https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN23A3GU Let us not forget there are democracy movements in China and other totalitarian countries, even if we (of course) do not hear from them. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 06-04-20 at 05:14 AM.*

06-04-20, 04:03 AM	#2
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I wonder if it was ever published what happened to this guy. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-04-20, 04:06 AM	#3
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ A take on what we 'know'.. heard it on DLF Deutschlandfunk this morning, direct translation by Google https://translate.google.com/transla...anmen-107.html "The only high-ranking politician who has ever commented on this is the former head of state and party leader Jiang Zemin, most recently in an interview with Mike Wallace from the American television station C-Span in 2000: "I have instructed people in the security authorities to use their entire networks to find out where this young man has gone. After a month-long investigation, I can safely say that this man was not arrested." said Jiang Zemin." Oh i am sure you have "instructed the security authorities to find the young man", and when they found and shot him he was not arrested indeed. Chinese dialectics at work. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 06-04-20 at 05:15 AM.*

06-04-20, 07:10 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Estimations of murdered civilians range widely. Usually claimed to be between some hundred and some thosuand, some estimations reach as high as to 10 thosuand and even 30 thosuand. I usually quote the latter, for i think that there si widespread self restraint in the world when reporting baout China and an unadmitted subconscious will to not enraged the big leaders in Bejing too much. In the end, for the arugmen tit doe snot matter whether it were 3000 dead, 10 thsoandm, or 30 thousand - any such number shows what murderous villain and what an uncivilised barbarian power the world is dealign with in China. Rememvber Tibet. Remember Uigurian reeedcuation camps. Remember over 60 other minorities that by definition of th eterm de facto get brutally "genocided" and culturally - and often individually - erased. We have seen this again when Covid 19 broke out, the long weeks when China denied an dlied, and chnaged statistcial mehtods to gloss over its numbers. They still do so with the secone dwave they are experiencing. The WHO praised the great efforts of China in delaing with the pandemic very early, but they did that out of frustration and in hope that appeasement of this kind would lure Bejing to hand over data that the WHO at that early time alreaey knew to not have gotten from Bejing. As we know, the hope did not pay out, and Bejing instead opted for killing tens if not hundreds of thousands of peopel around the globe that maybe would not have needed to die if reactions would have been faster if China had released data earlier, and correctly. They still do not do that. Take off the satin gloves. We need to relaise that china neither is our friend nor a possible ally. its an enemy. And it is murderous. In earlier times their actions would have been reason to declare war against them. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.