My initial thoughts

GoldenRivet · 05-01-19, 12:57 AM

my specs

Windows 10 home edition 64
Intel Core i7-6700K CPU
16 Gb RAM
Hard drive 1.5 Tb total
Dual Radeon RX480

now the meat...

I think many sub simmers are accustomed to being captain and using a point and click to give orders sort of interface.

U-boat is not that kind of subsim, and i think it has been fairly open about what it is from the beginning. so there shouldnt be many surprises for those of you who have been keeping up with the news.

What u-boat isnt:

it is NOT silent hunter on steroids, if you think you are going to just press D for dive, C for crash dive, and 1 for ahead slow etc and the crew is going to respond in kind... this isnt your grandpappy's subsim.

what u-boat is:

lets say SIMS 4 has a late night rendezvous with silent hunter 5 and they have a baby... well... u-boat is the product of that union. and for that reason, traditional sub simmers are going to go through a bit of a teething process and encounter some growing pains while they adjust to a new way of playing an old genre.

to say that u-boat is tedious, is a bit of an overstatement - because played right... it really isnt tedious. the tutorial is tedious as hell, but it tries to cover a lot of bases in a short time, actual game play is not that way, but can be in certain situations

During my first sandbox mission, i was tasked with transporting the boat from la Rochelle to kiel for a base change... which seemed a little backwards, because in may of 1941, it seems the transfer would have gone the other way. but i digress...

on the first outing, what one has to realize is that you dont play u-boat as any one character. You are certainly in command of the boat, but in a weird new play style that is going to take some adjusting to.

on the whole, the new play-style, really isnt that different from what you're used to... and here's what i mean:

lets compare to everyone's old favorite, Silent Hunter III et al

diesel engine compartment in silent hunter III, you wanted it to run more efficiently, what did you have to do? Put more sailors and an officer with a specific skill set in the compartment by dragging from their bunks and dropping them in the compartment via a 2D interface representing all the compartments of the boat.

how do you do it in Uboat?

the exact same way.

only difference is, instead of dragging and dropping them in a 2D interface illustrated on a "sheet of paper" on screen... you are moving laterally from one live action 3d view of a compartment to another, finding the officer you need, clicking on him and telling him where to go. meanwhile all of the other activity aboard the boat continues all around you. need more sailors in the compartment with the officer? well, you dont have to drag and drop them, just click the little + or - arrows assigning or removing helpers from a specific officer and you're done... they respond to that que automatically.

same concept... but animated.

a lot of u-boat is tied up in crew management. this is true, but in a good way.

when you are in port, you can visit the recruiting officer to review your crew roster of potential crewmen to join your boat. we used to have a fair amount of "make believe" involved when we played GWX with SH3Commander if Herbert Szhulz was a bit of a hot head, prone to fighting with others at the first agitation... we kinda had to pretend that. If Werner Stiener was a poor farm boy who joined the kriegsmarine to bring honor to his family, you made that up and sort of used your imagination and ran with it. fun as it was... it was ultimately a solitary, lonely experience. even with mods that gave us full interiors and a crew that sort of just stood there like wax sculptures, it all lacked depth.

well, U-boat does that imagineering for us. because it will tell you each person's personality traits in the roster when you click on them... so if you want a boat full of ambitious, dutiful, dedicated sailors... pick them, but they are more expensive, and sometimes, you will end up with a hot headed guy who picks a fight on patrol and has to be ordered to clean toilets as punishment.

yes really - their personality traits all come out in game, during patrol. so the shy orphan who joined the kriegsmarine because he had nowhere else to go... well, he might freeze up in combat and you will have deal with that as an officer in real life would. think of the captain in das boot going for his pistol when Johann loses it during a bad depth charging... yes, that exact scenario can play out, and you might have to shoot little Johann dead if his antics cannot be subdued and it threatens giving away the boat's position.

As for tactics and combat, im still learning my way around the UI my first real encounter was a single merchant carrying trucks under escort, i never saw the destroyer really, but i closed to within about 1000 meters of the merchant at periscope depth.

The attack periscope view offered a very satisfying and - in my opinion - ultra realistic view of the seascape. It took me some time to figure out how i was going to go about the attack but i sank the merchant and came under attack by the escort.

I was forced down to about 220 meters, creaking, groaning no damage from depth charges, the retaliation didnt last long.

in first person view, under the blue lights, crew walking around, going about their various duties it provided hands down the most realistic, real time depth charge attack i have ever endured in a subsim.

having crewmen turn off various machinery to cut noise for example, the tension was palpable. then... we developed a leak in the bow torpedo room hatch and were taking quite a bit of water. guys werent just standing around... one of the crew went to the storage compartment, grabbed some gear, came trotting along and began phsyically trying to repair the leaking hatch. The rest of the crew wasnt standing there blankly either... they had grown up crap to do despite being shin deep in water LOL they were doing their various duties, quite autonomously.

i had one of my officers and two of his assistants bailing water, bucket by bucket then carrying it from the forward torpedo room, to the command room, then dumping each bucket into the bilge, we turned on the bilge pump and the leak was eventually stopped though the water took agonizingly long to get rid of. it eventually flooded over into the bow crew compartment quite realistically.

with all of this going on, it was hard to feel "alone" aboard the boat. everyone had a job to do, they were doing it without being micromanaged, and the goal was to get the boat repaired and floated. We always heard about people having "das boot" repair moments on the sea floor while playing SH3 or SH5 etc... well i used to think so to... but no. THIS is where those das boot moments are.

what the guys who made U-boat have managed to do is create a subsim that brings the u-boat environment to life, and if you're throwing your hands up and surrendering on release day... you're going to be missing out on something that in my honest and educated opinion, has the opportunity to be grown into, developed into and modded into probably one of the absolute best U-boat games ever made

be patient.

i have games that rubbed me the wrong way when they came out.

God knows cold waters gave me fits at first, but i stuck with it. and out of my entire steam inventory... it has the most play hours of any title i have.

I honestly cannot think of a subsim released in the history of our genre that was more deserving of a chance than this one.

Hjalfnar · 05-01-19, 02:36 AM

Where is the rep button? Exactly how I feel about UBOAT after more than 200hrs as a kickstarter backer.

John Pancoast · 05-01-19, 07:15 AM

Thanks for the post !

fullmetaledges · 05-01-19, 09:15 AM

Just started playing last night and I think that it is awesome. I got depth charged and was on the bottom with a flooded engine room and I had to figure out what to do and a strategy to get repairs and the flooding under control. On a different encounter was able to tell me sonarman to calculate a firing solution using his hydrophone. I feel that the silent hunter series did some things well, but in this game I feel more like I am commanding a submarine and it is way more immersive. Some things are not intuitive and I've learned tips by reading the loading screen like for instance in rough seas at periscope depth have the engineer man the dive planes to reduce the risk of broaching the surface accidentally. A few bugs here and there, but overall I think this game is great.

KaleunBier · 05-01-19, 10:46 AM

Great review of the game. This is exactly how I feel as well. The playerbase seems dedicated too and are passing along needed help (crash reports and such) to the devs so this will only get better.

CybrSlydr · 05-01-19, 11:21 AM

OP is why I bought the game today before going to work.

I cannot wait to get home and give it a go!

I'm also really excited to see what this community can come up with IRT mods.

Does Uboat offer the different Uboats we saw in the SH series - the IIA, VII, VIIC, IXC, etc? Or are we just in the VIIC for now and will see other boats later if sales are good enough?

KaleunBier · 05-01-19, 11:58 AM

The VIIC is the only boat right now. There is talk of more though!

CybrSlydr · 05-01-19, 09:59 PM

Played through the tutorial. I like it! Wish it wasn't a category 5 hurricane when I got to attack. Lol

Also wish it would let me uncheck the dsrk night box...

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clayton · 05-02-19, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CybrSlydr

Played through the tutorial. I like it! Wish it wasn't a category 5 hurricane when I got to attack. Lol

Also wish it would let me uncheck the dsrk night box...

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

I was thinking about checking that box. Is it too dark at night? I'm not sure if unchecked is dark enough.

DonH58 · 05-02-19, 01:06 AM

At Aktungbby
It was a very long fence

CybrSlydr · 05-02-19, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clayton

I was thinking about checking that box. Is it too dark at night? I'm not sure if unchecked is dark enough.

It's a problem I have with all games. I use my TV with my computer and it's a Panasonic plasma that is super dark (rivaled the Kuros back in the day). So I'm always having to jack up the gamma when I play stuff.

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Deepseadiver · 05-02-19, 09:22 AM

Great post and review

I am loving it so far and it will only get better when the modders get at it..roll on Summer.

MCHALO12 · 05-02-19, 02:35 AM

@ GoldenRivet: thank you for this great summary! I totally agree with your positive conclusion. Of course not everything is finished and some game mechanics are unusual compared to silent hunter, but this is definitely outweighed by the positive aspects.

Great potential for the future!

Best regards.

Gesendet von meinem ANE-LX1 mit Tapatalk

brian4s · 05-02-19, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

my specs

Windows 10 home edition 64
Intel Core i7-6700K CPU
16 Gb RAM
Hard drive 1.5 Tb total
Dual Radeon RX480

now the meat...

Love your J-3!

Flown the front seat many times with my father. 300+ hours.

I'm trying to get thru the tutorial but experiencing bugs, overall I really like it. I'm coming from SH4.

Sub187 · 05-02-19, 11:15 AM

Just finished the tutorial on my third attempt (the first 2 times were bugged...) and i'm still on the fence about refunding it. Yes, somewhere in there is a fun game, but bug reporting without a clear ticketing system is very frustrating, so there is no way for me to help debugging the game. And I don't expect the game to be in actual beta stage until at least the end of the year. However, I did get the game at -20% off, although I expect the game to be even more heavily discounted during black friday, and having it in my library, while i'm not even going to be playing it for at least the next half year is a bit silly.

I also recommend to include an option to edit mouse sensitivity and key bindings, but a clear bug reporting and ticketing system is priority no. 1 IMHO.

If you should buy it or not is really depending of how much frustration you can handle. I sincerely believe that the concept of the game is good, but that Unity is inherently unsuited for a game like this and that there still is A LOT of work to be done before you can play 10 minutes without the game bugging out.

@the devs: What I'm really impressed by is the depth of the details on the Typ VII. I thought I knew everything there was out there on the VII, but this game showed me differently. What were the sources that you guys used?

05-01-19, 12:57 AM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	My initial thoughts my specs Windows 10 home edition 64 Intel Core i7-6700K CPU 16 Gb RAM Hard drive 1.5 Tb total Dual Radeon RX480 now the meat... I think many sub simmers are accustomed to being captain and using a point and click to give orders sort of interface. U-boat is not that kind of subsim, and i think it has been fairly open about what it is from the beginning. so there shouldnt be many surprises for those of you who have been keeping up with the news. What u-boat isnt: it is NOT silent hunter on steroids, if you think you are going to just press D for dive, C for crash dive, and 1 for ahead slow etc and the crew is going to respond in kind... this isnt your grandpappy's subsim. what u-boat is: lets say SIMS 4 has a late night rendezvous with silent hunter 5 and they have a baby... well... u-boat is the product of that union. and for that reason, traditional sub simmers are going to go through a bit of a teething process and encounter some growing pains while they adjust to a new way of playing an old genre. to say that u-boat is tedious, is a bit of an overstatement - because played right... it really isnt tedious. the tutorial is tedious as hell, but it tries to cover a lot of bases in a short time, actual game play is not that way, but can be in certain situations During my first sandbox mission, i was tasked with transporting the boat from la Rochelle to kiel for a base change... which seemed a little backwards, because in may of 1941, it seems the transfer would have gone the other way. but i digress... on the first outing, what one has to realize is that you dont play u-boat as any one character. You are certainly in command of the boat, but in a weird new play style that is going to take some adjusting to. on the whole, the new play-style, really isnt that different from what you're used to... and here's what i mean: lets compare to everyone's old favorite, Silent Hunter III et al diesel engine compartment in silent hunter III, you wanted it to run more efficiently, what did you have to do? Put more sailors and an officer with a specific skill set in the compartment by dragging from their bunks and dropping them in the compartment via a 2D interface representing all the compartments of the boat. how do you do it in Uboat? the exact same way. only difference is, instead of dragging and dropping them in a 2D interface illustrated on a "sheet of paper" on screen... you are moving laterally from one live action 3d view of a compartment to another, finding the officer you need, clicking on him and telling him where to go. meanwhile all of the other activity aboard the boat continues all around you. need more sailors in the compartment with the officer? well, you dont have to drag and drop them, just click the little + or - arrows assigning or removing helpers from a specific officer and you're done... they respond to that que automatically. same concept... but animated. a lot of u-boat is tied up in crew management. this is true, but in a good way. when you are in port, you can visit the recruiting officer to review your crew roster of potential crewmen to join your boat. we used to have a fair amount of "make believe" involved when we played GWX with SH3Commander if Herbert Szhulz was a bit of a hot head, prone to fighting with others at the first agitation... we kinda had to pretend that. If Werner Stiener was a poor farm boy who joined the kriegsmarine to bring honor to his family, you made that up and sort of used your imagination and ran with it. fun as it was... it was ultimately a solitary, lonely experience. even with mods that gave us full interiors and a crew that sort of just stood there like wax sculptures, it all lacked depth. well, U-boat does that imagineering for us. because it will tell you each person's personality traits in the roster when you click on them... so if you want a boat full of ambitious, dutiful, dedicated sailors... pick them, but they are more expensive, and sometimes, you will end up with a hot headed guy who picks a fight on patrol and has to be ordered to clean toilets as punishment. yes really - their personality traits all come out in game, during patrol. so the shy orphan who joined the kriegsmarine because he had nowhere else to go... well, he might freeze up in combat and you will have deal with that as an officer in real life would. think of the captain in das boot going for his pistol when Johann loses it during a bad depth charging... yes, that exact scenario can play out, and you might have to shoot little Johann dead if his antics cannot be subdued and it threatens giving away the boat's position. As for tactics and combat, im still learning my way around the UI my first real encounter was a single merchant carrying trucks under escort, i never saw the destroyer really, but i closed to within about 1000 meters of the merchant at periscope depth. The attack periscope view offered a very satisfying and - in my opinion - ultra realistic view of the seascape. It took me some time to figure out how i was going to go about the attack but i sank the merchant and came under attack by the escort. I was forced down to about 220 meters, creaking, groaning no damage from depth charges, the retaliation didnt last long. in first person view, under the blue lights, crew walking around, going about their various duties it provided hands down the most realistic, real time depth charge attack i have ever endured in a subsim. having crewmen turn off various machinery to cut noise for example, the tension was palpable. then... we developed a leak in the bow torpedo room hatch and were taking quite a bit of water. guys werent just standing around... one of the crew went to the storage compartment, grabbed some gear, came trotting along and began phsyically trying to repair the leaking hatch. The rest of the crew wasnt standing there blankly either... they had grown up crap to do despite being shin deep in water LOL they were doing their various duties, quite autonomously. i had one of my officers and two of his assistants bailing water, bucket by bucket then carrying it from the forward torpedo room, to the command room, then dumping each bucket into the bilge, we turned on the bilge pump and the leak was eventually stopped though the water took agonizingly long to get rid of. it eventually flooded over into the bow crew compartment quite realistically. with all of this going on, it was hard to feel "alone" aboard the boat. everyone had a job to do, they were doing it without being micromanaged, and the goal was to get the boat repaired and floated. We always heard about people having "das boot" repair moments on the sea floor while playing SH3 or SH5 etc... well i used to think so to... but no. THIS is where those das boot moments are. what the guys who made U-boat have managed to do is create a subsim that brings the u-boat environment to life, and if you're throwing your hands up and surrendering on release day... you're going to be missing out on something that in my honest and educated opinion, has the opportunity to be grown into, developed into and modded into probably one of the absolute best U-boat games ever made be patient. i have games that rubbed me the wrong way when they came out. God knows cold waters gave me fits at first, but i stuck with it. and out of my entire steam inventory... it has the most play hours of any title i have. I honestly cannot think of a subsim released in the history of our genre that was more deserving of a chance than this one. __________________

05-01-19, 07:15 AM	#3
John Pancoast Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Minnysoda Posts: 3,211 Downloads: 501 Uploads: 4	Thanks for the post ! __________________ "Realistic" is not always GAME-GOOD." - Wave Skipper

05-01-19, 11:21 AM	#6
CybrSlydr Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Beverly, OH Posts: 263 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	OP is why I bought the game today before going to work. I cannot wait to get home and give it a go! I'm also really excited to see what this community can come up with IRT mods. Does Uboat offer the different Uboats we saw in the SH series - the IIA, VII, VIIC, IXC, etc? Or are we just in the VIIC for now and will see other boats later if sales are good enough? __________________

05-01-19, 09:59 PM	#8
CybrSlydr Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Beverly, OH Posts: 263 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Played through the tutorial. I like it! Wish it wasn't a category 5 hurricane when I got to attack. Lol Also wish it would let me uncheck the dsrk night box... Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk __________________

05-02-19, 02:35 AM	#13
MCHALO12 Gunner Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 94 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	@ GoldenRivet: thank you for this great summary! I totally agree with your positive conclusion. Of course not everything is finished and some game mechanics are unusual compared to silent hunter, but this is definitely outweighed by the positive aspects. Great potential for the future! Best regards. Gesendet von meinem ANE-LX1 mit Tapatalk __________________

05-01-19, 02:36 AM	#2
Hjalfnar Torpedoman Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 113 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Where is the rep button? Exactly how I feel about UBOAT after more than 200hrs as a kickstarter backer.

05-01-19, 09:15 AM	#4
fullmetaledges Chief Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 314 Downloads: 120 Uploads: 0	Just started playing last night and I think that it is awesome. I got depth charged and was on the bottom with a flooded engine room and I had to figure out what to do and a strategy to get repairs and the flooding under control. On a different encounter was able to tell me sonarman to calculate a firing solution using his hydrophone. I feel that the silent hunter series did some things well, but in this game I feel more like I am commanding a submarine and it is way more immersive. Some things are not intuitive and I've learned tips by reading the loading screen like for instance in rough seas at periscope depth have the engineer man the dive planes to reduce the risk of broaching the surface accidentally. A few bugs here and there, but overall I think this game is great.

05-01-19, 10:46 AM	#5
KaleunBier Bosun Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 63 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 0	Great review of the game. This is exactly how I feel as well. The playerbase seems dedicated too and are passing along needed help (crash reports and such) to the devs so this will only get better.

05-01-19, 11:58 AM	#7
KaleunBier Bosun Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 63 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 0	The VIIC is the only boat right now. There is talk of more though!

05-02-19, 01:06 AM	#10
DonH58 Nub Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Whidbey Is. Posts: 3 Downloads: 515 Uploads: 0	At Aktungbby It was a very long fence

05-02-19, 09:22 AM	#12
Deepseadiver Torpedoman Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kingston upon Hull Posts: 116 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Great post and review I am loving it so far and it will only get better when the modders get at it..roll on Summer.

05-02-19, 11:15 AM	#15
Sub187 Watch Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 26 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Just finished the tutorial on my third attempt (the first 2 times were bugged...) and i'm still on the fence about refunding it. Yes, somewhere in there is a fun game, but bug reporting without a clear ticketing system is very frustrating, so there is no way for me to help debugging the game. And I don't expect the game to be in actual beta stage until at least the end of the year. However, I did get the game at -20% off, although I expect the game to be even more heavily discounted during black friday, and having it in my library, while i'm not even going to be playing it for at least the next half year is a bit silly. I also recommend to include an option to edit mouse sensitivity and key bindings, but a clear bug reporting and ticketing system is priority no. 1 IMHO. If you should buy it or not is really depending of how much frustration you can handle. I sincerely believe that the concept of the game is good, but that Unity is inherently unsuited for a game like this and that there still is A LOT of work to be done before you can play 10 minutes without the game bugging out. @the devs: What I'm really impressed by is the depth of the details on the Typ VII. I thought I knew everything there was out there on the VII, but this game showed me differently. What were the sources that you guys used?