The Case of the Vanishing Crew

ijnfleetadmiral · 05-30-17, 10:23 PM

Got back to Pearl Harbor in mid-January 1943 and was informed my sub was getting a cosmetic refit to reduce its silhouette. Once that was done, went to hand out promotions and awards to my crew and the crew management page had completely changed and no one was on it. Completely blank. Tried doing another patrol and it was like I was the only one aboard. None of the crew were present, though they were still listed on the roster. The sub systems page showed only the 20-mm. AA gun and none of the other systems like radar and sonar. Any ideas / fixes for this? Thanks for any info.

Here are some pics of the crew and submarine systems stations (taken with a digital camera):

propbeanie · 05-31-17, 07:24 AM

Wow... did you have an encounter with The Flying Dutchman, and he stole all your crews' souls?... But seriously, I've never had that in 10+ years of SH4. What mods, if any, do you have installed? Did you have different mods previously installed?

ijnfleetadmiral · 05-31-17, 07:43 AM

The only mods I'm running are the Crew Rank Fix mod and the Medals fix mod. This is my first time running mods on SH4 (just installed the game on a new computer).

propbeanie · 05-31-17, 08:02 AM

Well, your posting in the other thread
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...4&postcount=22
may lend a clue then. Which version is your "base mod" for the altering you did? Are you running Stock SH4 v1.5, with no other mods other than the Medals Fix? Where do you have JSGME installed for SH4?

ijnfleetadmiral · 05-31-17, 09:27 AM

I have JSGME installed in the SH4 folder in Program Files (x86). It was the only way the two mods would work. I'm running Stock Version 1.5 (with the U-Boat add-on), as I don't have the Trigger Maru Overhaul or anything like that.

propbeanie · 05-31-17, 09:59 AM

Of course, the easiest thing is to just look through your edits, and compare your edited files to the originals, both of the mod and of Stock, and see if you have some assignment aspect that you edited that is now "off". Compare your ranks to what's allowed. It might be that you have to have at least one seaman, and not have everybody at PO level or higher...

If you want to experiment (possibly a waste of time), you could copy the entire game folder structure - including the Save folder, to another area of the hard drive and by use of MultiSH4 v1.5, have a lab rat to mess with, and not goof-up any further the career that you have. I'd check your edits real close though. I don't think you'll be able to recover what you had as far as the current campaign goes, but you might be able to go back to a previous save where you had all the crew slots visible, and continue from there again... maybe. You never know until you try though. Just make copies of things...

Another thing, there might be crew assignment changes included with that new conning tower you got, so that'd be another place to check. You may have missed a file, and it overwrote a portion of what you did.

aanker · 05-31-17, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ijnfleetadmiral

I have JSGME installed in the SH4 folder in Program Files (x86). It was the only way the two mods would work. I'm running Stock Version 1.5 (with the U-Boat add-on), as I don't have the Trigger Maru Overhaul or anything like that.

I recommend that you don't install SH4 in Program Files (x86), especially if you bought it from Steam. Make a Folder on your C: drive - I call mine Games_Sub and I installed SH4 in there. That Program Files (x86) folder is not friendly with JSGME or MultiSH4.

I'm thinking that the problem was caused by the install to Program Files (x86) and problems related to JSGME because of that. Also, nobody has complained about the crew mod before.

I've never heard of this happening since I bought SH4 so many years ago either.

Happy Hunting!

ETR3(SS) · 05-31-17, 02:55 PM

First change your install directory as stated. Second, don't activate mods mid patrol. Wait until you get back to base first, then activate. Third, your tinkering with the game saves may be a part of it as well.

razark · 05-31-17, 08:16 PM

As an IJN Fleet Admiral, making a sub crew disappear should be a good thing for you.

Did you install mods while in patrol?
Try starting a new career and see if that works. You may need to lose that particular save game.

ijnfleetadmiral · 06-01-17, 08:39 AM

I installed mods before even starting my career. I tried starting a new career from the point where my old one screwed up (1943), but then I got a CTD. So I'm thinking I'll just reinstall the game, start over from scratch, but I'll start my new career in 1943...sorta-kinda pick up where I left off. But before I do, I got all the awards and my total tonnage and whatnot, so I'll just combine the two at the end and that'll be my total score. No big deal.

05-30-17, 10:23 PM	#1
ijnfleetadmiral Officer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Corinth, MS Posts: 242 Downloads: 127 Uploads: 0	The Case of the Vanishing Crew Got back to Pearl Harbor in mid-January 1943 and was informed my sub was getting a cosmetic refit to reduce its silhouette. Once that was done, went to hand out promotions and awards to my crew and the crew management page had completely changed and no one was on it. Completely blank. Tried doing another patrol and it was like I was the only one aboard. None of the crew were present, though they were still listed on the roster. The sub systems page showed only the 20-mm. AA gun and none of the other systems like radar and sonar. Any ideas / fixes for this? Thanks for any info. Here are some pics of the crew and submarine systems stations (taken with a digital camera): __________________ "It does not matter how the enemy travels, in convoy, in pairs, or alone...I will find him and sink him wherever he is." Last edited by ijnfleetadmiral; 05-31-17 at 12:13 AM.

05-31-17, 07:24 AM	#2
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Wow... did you have an encounter with The Flying Dutchman, and he stole all your crews' souls?... But seriously, I've never had that in 10+ years of SH4. What mods, if any, do you have installed? Did you have different mods previously installed? __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

05-31-17, 07:43 AM	#3
ijnfleetadmiral Officer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Corinth, MS Posts: 242 Downloads: 127 Uploads: 0	The only mods I'm running are the Crew Rank Fix mod and the Medals fix mod. This is my first time running mods on SH4 (just installed the game on a new computer). __________________ "It does not matter how the enemy travels, in convoy, in pairs, or alone...I will find him and sink him wherever he is."

05-31-17, 08:02 AM	#4
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Well, your posting in the other thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...4&postcount=22 may lend a clue then. Which version is your "base mod" for the altering you did? Are you running Stock SH4 v1.5, with no other mods other than the Medals Fix? Where do you have JSGME installed for SH4? __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

05-31-17, 09:27 AM	#5
ijnfleetadmiral Officer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Corinth, MS Posts: 242 Downloads: 127 Uploads: 0	I have JSGME installed in the SH4 folder in Program Files (x86). It was the only way the two mods would work. I'm running Stock Version 1.5 (with the U-Boat add-on), as I don't have the Trigger Maru Overhaul or anything like that. __________________ "It does not matter how the enemy travels, in convoy, in pairs, or alone...I will find him and sink him wherever he is."

05-31-17, 09:59 AM	#6
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Of course, the easiest thing is to just look through your edits, and compare your edited files to the originals, both of the mod and of Stock, and see if you have some assignment aspect that you edited that is now "off". Compare your ranks to what's allowed. It might be that you have to have at least one seaman, and not have everybody at PO level or higher... If you want to experiment (possibly a waste of time), you could copy the entire game folder structure - including the Save folder, to another area of the hard drive and by use of MultiSH4 v1.5, have a lab rat to mess with, and not goof-up any further the career that you have. I'd check your edits real close though. I don't think you'll be able to recover what you had as far as the current campaign goes, but you might be able to go back to a previous save where you had all the crew slots visible, and continue from there again... maybe. You never know until you try though. Just make copies of things... Another thing, there might be crew assignment changes included with that new conning tower you got, so that'd be another place to check. You may have missed a file, and it overwrote a portion of what you did. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

05-31-17, 02:55 PM	#8
ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	First change your install directory as stated. Second, don't activate mods mid patrol. Wait until you get back to base first, then activate. Third, your tinkering with the game saves may be a part of it as well. __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine.

05-31-17, 08:16 PM	#9
razark Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,731 Downloads: 393 Uploads: 12	As an IJN Fleet Admiral, making a sub crew disappear should be a good thing for you. Did you install mods while in patrol? Try starting a new career and see if that works. You may need to lose that particular save game. __________________ "Never ask a World War II history buff for a 'final solution' to your problem!"

06-01-17, 08:39 AM	#10
ijnfleetadmiral Officer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Corinth, MS Posts: 242 Downloads: 127 Uploads: 0	I installed mods before even starting my career. I tried starting a new career from the point where my old one screwed up (1943), but then I got a CTD. So I'm thinking I'll just reinstall the game, start over from scratch, but I'll start my new career in 1943...sorta-kinda pick up where I left off. But before I do, I got all the awards and my total tonnage and whatnot, so I'll just combine the two at the end and that'll be my total score. No big deal. __________________ "It does not matter how the enemy travels, in convoy, in pairs, or alone...I will find him and sink him wherever he is."