When is it British and when is it English ?

mapuc · 06-19-16, 03:45 PM

This has confused me for quit a while, since I posted a comment in an old thread-it was about the Scottish referendum

In this comment I wrote England and was corrected "British thank you" followed with a "

"

I was like !!??!! and I'll tell you why

Only a few days earlier I saw a political commentator on Danish TV saying
(First in Danish)

Cameron har lovet de engelske vælgere at de skal til afstemning om EU inden 2017.

In English
Cameron have promised the English voters there will be a referendum about EU before 2017.

And some minutes ago I saw another member writing England should build a wall in the Brexit-thread.

So you now you know why I'm confused

Markus

STEED · 06-19-16, 03:51 PM

Having a joke with our resident Scottish poster.

Hadrian's Wall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian%27s_Wall

Quote:

The Contemplator's Short History of The Jacobite Uprisings

http://www.contemplator.com/history/jacobite.html

And now to confuse you more, Northerners drink soft tap water while us Southerns drink hard tap water.
http://filterbutler.com/blog/hard-wa...er-difference/

Skybird · 06-19-16, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

This has confused me for quit a while, since I posted a comment in an old thread-it was about the Scottish referendum

In this comment I wrote England and was corrected "British thank you" followed with a "

"

I was like !!??!! and I'll tell you why

Only a few days earlier I saw a political commentator on Danish TV saying
(First in Danish)

Cameron har lovet de engelske vælgere at de skal til afstemning om EU inden 2017.

In English
Cameron have promised the English voters there will be a referendum about EU before 2017.

And some minutes ago I saw another member writing England should build a wall in the Brexit-thread.

So you now you know why I'm confused

Markus

I may be wrong, but England, Scotland, Wales and a part of Ireland form a union called "United Kingdom" - or (Great) Britain. That alltogether is "British".

England is just one of these four entities forming Great Britian, and that is when you talk of "England, English".

Great Britian includes England, but England is not all Britain. Thats why they all have their own national teams as well, at least in football.

You can also differentiate the six "Celtic nations": Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, Bretagne, and some small Isle that I now have forgotten. How "England" (which includes Cornwall and said Isle - Isle of Man, btw?) matches into this scheme, I do not know.

As I understand it, there is some - today light-handed - "animosity" between Englishmen and Scots, due to historic reasons (England oppressing Scotland for long time, "Braveheart" and all that stuff, and that was when it was much less light-handed an animosity

). Thats why you may have hit some nerve there, mapuc. As I see it, Scots are British - but NEVER ENGLISH.

And if they leave the UK, they are not even that anymore.

Betonov · 06-19-16, 04:11 PM

I wonder how things went before Yugoslavia fell apart.
I'm guessing there were some that responded to ''Slovene'' ''no, Yugoslavian''
And some responded to ''Yugoslavian'' as ''no, Slovene''

Skybird · 06-19-16, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

I wonder how things went before Yugoslavia fell apart.
I'm guessing there were some that responded to ''Slovene'' ''no, Yugoslavian''
And some responded to ''Yugoslavian'' as ''no, Slovene''

Actually there were three kingdoms, those of the Slovenes - but also those of the Croats and Serbs. They were part of the Ottoman empire, later of the the Austrian-Hungarian monarchy.

STEED · 06-19-16, 04:22 PM

As for the Welsh..

http://resources.woodlands-junior.ke...nionjack5.html

Betonov · 06-19-16, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Actually there were three kingdoms, those of the Slovenes - but also those of the Croats and Serbs. They were part of the Ottoman empire, later of the the Austrian-Hungarian monarchy.

Depends on the part of Yugoslavia.

Croatia and Slovenia were never Ottoman (raids not included), Bosnia and Macedonia were.
Croatia and Slovenia were under Austria, then Austria-Hungary and between world wars some parts were occupied by the Italians.

After WW1 the Country was briefly called kingdom of SHS (Serbs, Croats/Hrvati and Slovenes), before becoming the kingdom of Yugoslavia. SHS included all the later Yugoslav territories minus Istria.

under Titos Yugoslavia every state (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia) had a small level of autonomy and it really depended on the person of he considered himself Slovene or Yugoslav.
I'm guessing the same problem exists if a person delares himself British or English.

Oberon · 06-19-16, 04:31 PM

And just to confuse things a bit more, throw in this:

STEED · 06-19-16, 04:45 PM

And now Dave Allen in..

Quote:

One Of The Funniest Comedy Sketches Of All Time

You can't beat us Brits for comedy.

mapuc · 06-19-16, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betonov

I wonder how things went before Yugoslavia fell apart.
I'm guessing there were some that responded to ''Slovene'' ''no, Yugoslavian''
And some responded to ''Yugoslavian'' as ''no, Slovene''

An off topic story which i remembered when I read you comment

It was about 94-95 I lived in Sweden at that time.

I was studying in a school for grown-ups

In the beginning I met a person from former Yugoslavia

He said I'm from (forgot the name of the town)
I said Where in Yugoslavia is that ?

He looked at me with some angry eyes and said
It's Croatia, Yugoslavia does not exist anymore.

Now we jump forward some month
A new student had arrived
We became friends and one day I asked him where he came from

I'm from (sorry can't remember the name of the town)
I said isn't that somewhere in Serbia

His response
Yugoslavia thank you.

Markus

Tchocky · 06-19-16, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

And now Dave Allen in..

You can't be us Brits for comedy.

Now you've done it, Dave Allen is Irish

Sailor Steve · 06-19-16, 05:09 PM

And don't forget the United Kingdom originally came about under a Scottish king - James I.

ABBAFAN · 06-19-16, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

And just to confuse things a bit more, throw in this:

Is the Irish Republic still considered part of the British Isles?

STEED · 06-19-16, 05:19 PM

We in the UK or GB are a united divided nation of who go on about the weather and do you put milk in first or tea first and call our chips..chips.

Von Due · 06-19-16, 05:32 PM

No wonder people get confused over this. I was in London about 20 years ago, and had to ask for directions. I thought I had a good grasp on the basics but I couldn't understand anything of what that old gentleman was saying. He was a Scotsman of course. 1st person I met and there was the Scotsman, with an accent thicker than oatmeal and cement. Not what I was expecting.

And the confused ones are legion

06-19-16, 03:45 PM	#1
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	When is it British and when is it English ? This has confused me for quit a while, since I posted a comment in an old thread-it was about the Scottish referendum In this comment I wrote England and was corrected "British thank you" followed with a "" I was like !!??!! and I'll tell you why Only a few days earlier I saw a political commentator on Danish TV saying (First in Danish) Cameron har lovet de engelske vælgere at de skal til afstemning om EU inden 2017. In English Cameron have promised the English voters there will be a referendum about EU before 2017. And some minutes ago I saw another member writing England should build a wall in the Brexit-thread. So you now you know why I'm confused Markus

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	As for the Welsh.. http://resources.woodlands-junior.ke...nionjack5.html __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	And don't forget the United Kingdom originally came about under a Scottish king - James I. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	We in the UK or GB are a united divided nation of who go on about the weather and do you put milk in first or tea first and call our chips..chips. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	I wonder how things went before Yugoslavia fell apart. I'm guessing there were some that responded to ''Slovene'' ''no, Yugoslavian'' And some responded to ''Yugoslavian'' as ''no, Slovene''

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	And just to confuse things a bit more, throw in this:

06-19-16, 05:32 PM	#15
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,690 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	No wonder people get confused over this. I was in London about 20 years ago, and had to ask for directions. I thought I had a good grasp on the basics but I couldn't understand anything of what that old gentleman was saying. He was a Scotsman of course. 1st person I met and there was the Scotsman, with an accent thicker than oatmeal and cement. Not what I was expecting. And the confused ones are legion