Allied radar in June, 1940?

Von Due · 05-09-16, 05:34 AM

Just started the 7th patrol, mid June 1940 and I am close to the eastern shores of northern England. Time of day around 1400 hours, clear skies and excellent visibility. Was able to spot a ship at almost 15000 meters.

Here is what puzzles me.

I got the warning "Enemy is engaging us" and "We are under attack" so I quickly asked the watch officer about closest sight. He reported no ships in sight. I scanned the horizon using the binoculars but nothing showed up, not even the slightest trace of smoke. Still getting the warning that we were under attack.

Dove to periscope depth and using the hydrophone the sound guy picked up nothing but I could hear the ever so faint sound of something very far away.

TC for 30 minutes worth then the sound guy reports incoming, traveling at medium speed. Sound indicates small ship or boat. After another 10 minutes I get an armed trawler in view heading for us. Getting closer he then turned away, now following a somewhat parallell course.

What could possibly have caused an armed trawler to spot me at more than 16 km away, more like 20+ km? Do they have radar this early? And... do armed trawlers have radar too?

I am stumped at the moment. Nothing else was heard on the hydrophone but that one ship and it was at very long range when I heard it before the sound guy picked it up.

No airplanes were spotted or reported.

bstanko6 · 05-09-16, 05:57 AM

I have crossed this kind of ship on occasion. I think it's a bug. It's rare!

Mittelwaechter · 05-09-16, 06:06 AM

Maybe Bernard fried some Krapfen (Berliner; kind of Donut)?

Von Due · 05-09-16, 06:42 AM

Thank the alrighty allmighty I'm not alone seeing this. A bug? In SH3?

Yeah that would definitely be a bug I say. Quite disturbing though. Now I can't really rely on anything. If that guy really was attacking me from something like 20 km away then really all bets are off as to what the allied are capable of. Next is what? A Death Star coming at me?

And I will have a stern talk with the boat's chef. No more hot food for the boys until I have this sorted.

Anyway, this is quite a serious bug. Not technically serious but gameplay wise it is. If the game as a game master is telling the game as your AI opponent where you are exactly, then that is one huge flaw in the game, a pretty monumental bug.

Mittelwaechter · 05-09-16, 08:00 AM

As bstanko6 stated, it happens but it's not common. I ran into this two or three times in 10 years. I played a lot. So don't worry - be happy.

Von Due · 05-09-16, 08:13 AM

I suppose I could role play it so that it was the British national long distance swimming champion who spotted me on one of his daily training swims. Alternatively, concidering the shallow water and the proximity to land and enemy patrolling ships, that the nerves of the lookouts were a bit shall we say, frayed? Last option would actually be a bit of fun to imagine Ubi modelled the crew's psychological state.

Nervous wrecks or not, right now I'm waiting for this blasted merchant to sink. Took one nasty hit to her boiler room, during a storm but she is still afloat. Hopefully not for much longer. I'd rather not spend another eel on a 4000 tonner, cheapskate me.

Mittelwaechter · 05-09-16, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Due

... concidering the shallow water and the proximity to land and enemy patrolling ships...

An undetected aircraft/submarine and a shore battery over the horizon make a nice combo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Von Due

Nervous wrecks or not, right now I'm waiting for this blasted merchant to sink. Took one nasty hit to her boiler room, during a storm but she is still afloat. Hopefully not for much longer. I'd rather not spend another eel on a 4000 tonner, cheapskate me.

Whatever is worth an eel is worth a second one.

Bernard fills Krapfen with marmelade - and some with hot mustard as a surprise.
Other fillings only for Fasching (Carnival).
http://12tomatoes.com/german-doughnu...raspberry-jam/

05-09-16, 05:34 AM	#1
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,690 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Allied radar in June, 1940? Just started the 7th patrol, mid June 1940 and I am close to the eastern shores of northern England. Time of day around 1400 hours, clear skies and excellent visibility. Was able to spot a ship at almost 15000 meters. Here is what puzzles me. I got the warning "Enemy is engaging us" and "We are under attack" so I quickly asked the watch officer about closest sight. He reported no ships in sight. I scanned the horizon using the binoculars but nothing showed up, not even the slightest trace of smoke. Still getting the warning that we were under attack. Dove to periscope depth and using the hydrophone the sound guy picked up nothing but I could hear the ever so faint sound of something very far away. TC for 30 minutes worth then the sound guy reports incoming, traveling at medium speed. Sound indicates small ship or boat. After another 10 minutes I get an armed trawler in view heading for us. Getting closer he then turned away, now following a somewhat parallell course. What could possibly have caused an armed trawler to spot me at more than 16 km away, more like 20+ km? Do they have radar this early? And... do armed trawlers have radar too? I am stumped at the moment. Nothing else was heard on the hydrophone but that one ship and it was at very long range when I heard it before the sound guy picked it up. No airplanes were spotted or reported.

05-09-16, 05:57 AM	#2
bstanko6 Admiral Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Murwik Naval Academy Posts: 2,130 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 13	I have crossed this kind of ship on occasion. I think it's a bug. It's rare! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] BSTANKO6'S SH5 NAVAL ACADEMY http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPbe...W2NArCA/videos DISCORD https://discord.gg/6tFeTSUmVc

05-09-16, 06:06 AM	#3
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Maybe Bernard fried some Krapfen (Berliner; kind of Donut)? __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

05-09-16, 08:00 AM	#5
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	As bstanko6 stated, it happens but it's not common. I ran into this two or three times in 10 years. I played a lot. So don't worry - be happy. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

05-09-16, 06:42 AM	#4
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,690 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Thank the alrighty allmighty I'm not alone seeing this. A bug? In SH3? Yeah that would definitely be a bug I say. Quite disturbing though. Now I can't really rely on anything. If that guy really was attacking me from something like 20 km away then really all bets are off as to what the allied are capable of. Next is what? A Death Star coming at me? And I will have a stern talk with the boat's chef. No more hot food for the boys until I have this sorted. Anyway, this is quite a serious bug. Not technically serious but gameplay wise it is. If the game as a game master is telling the game as your AI opponent where you are exactly, then that is one huge flaw in the game, a pretty monumental bug.

05-09-16, 08:13 AM	#6
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,690 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	I suppose I could role play it so that it was the British national long distance swimming champion who spotted me on one of his daily training swims. Alternatively, concidering the shallow water and the proximity to land and enemy patrolling ships, that the nerves of the lookouts were a bit shall we say, frayed? Last option would actually be a bit of fun to imagine Ubi modelled the crew's psychological state. Nervous wrecks or not, right now I'm waiting for this blasted merchant to sink. Took one nasty hit to her boiler room, during a storm but she is still afloat. Hopefully not for much longer. I'd rather not spend another eel on a 4000 tonner, cheapskate me.